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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Linus Torvalds' <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Arvind Sankar <nivedita@alum.mit.edu>,
	Kalle Valo <kvalo@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-wireless <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: RE: gcc-10: kernel stack is corrupted and fails to boot
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 08:11:12 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d907ef9d30bc4169bf1e923fb066f7a1@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wg6G+p1RRjR6UZBEuSCDs9=iWBsxrDPTEwqh+y5RayqKA@mail.gmail.com>

From: Linus Torvalds
> Sent: 14 May 2020 03:20
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 5:51 PM Nick Desaulniers
> <ndesaulniers@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > Are you sure LTO treats empty asm statements differently than full
> > memory barriers in regards to preventing tail calls?
> 
> It had better.
> 
> At link-time, there is nothing left of an empty asm statement. So by
> the time the linker runs, it only sees
> 
>     call xyz
>     ret
> 
> in the object code. At that point, it's somewhat reasonable for any
> link-time optimizer (or an optimizing assembler, for that matter) to
> say "I'll just turn that sequence into a simple 'jmp xyz' instead".

Except is sees:
	call xyz
	canary_check_code
	ret

There's also almost certainly some stack frame tidyup.
Which it would have to detect and convert.
And, in principle, the function is allowed to access the
stack space than contains the canary.

> Now, don't get me wrong - I'm not convinced any existing LTO does
> that. But I'd also not be shocked by something like that.
> 
> In contrast, if it's a real mb(), the linker won't see just a
> 'call+ret" sequence. It will see something like
> 
>     call xyz
>     mfence
>     ret
> 
> (ok, the mfence may actually be something else, and we'll have a label
> on it and an alternatives table pointing to it, but the point is,
> unlike an empty asm, there's something _there_).

Not if you've an architecture that doesn't have any memory barriers.
In that case mb() may not even be asm("").
(although it might have to be asm ("":::memory)).

	David

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-14  8:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-09 12:06 [PATCH net-next 1/2] ath10k: fix gcc-10 zero-length-bounds warnings Arnd Bergmann
2020-05-09 12:06 ` [PATCH net-next 2/2] ath10k: fix ath10k_pci struct layout Arnd Bergmann
2020-05-11 12:05   ` Kalle Valo
2020-05-11 12:17     ` Kalle Valo
2020-05-11 12:39       ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-05-13  6:50       ` gcc-10: kernel stack is corrupted and fails to boot Kalle Valo
2020-05-13  8:49         ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-05-13 12:45           ` Kalle Valo
2020-05-13 13:45             ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-05-13 15:31               ` Kalle Valo
2020-05-13 16:00                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-05-13 16:07                   ` David Laight
2020-05-14  9:13                 ` Harald Arnesen
2020-05-13 15:48         ` Arvind Sankar
2020-05-13 21:28           ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-05-13 21:41             ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-13 21:49               ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-05-13 22:20                 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-13 22:51                   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-05-13 23:13                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-13 23:36                     ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-14  0:11                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-14  0:51                         ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-05-14  2:20                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-14  3:50                             ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                               ` <CAHk-=wgiGxRgJGS-zyer1C_x2MQUVo6iZn0=aJyuFTqJWk-mpA@mail.gmail.com>
2020-05-14  5:22                                 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-05-14  8:40                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-05-14 13:27                                     ` [PATCH] x86: Fix early boot crash on gcc-10, third try Borislav Petkov
2020-05-14 14:45                                       ` Kalle Valo
2020-05-14 15:50                                     ` gcc-10: kernel stack is corrupted and fails to boot Arvind Sankar
2020-05-14  8:11                             ` David Laight [this message]
2020-05-13 23:07                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-09 15:48 ` [PATCH net-next 1/2] ath10k: fix gcc-10 zero-length-bounds warnings Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-05-11 12:02   ` Kalle Valo
2020-05-11 12:46     ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-05-11 13:09       ` Kalle Valo
2020-05-11 13:47         ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-05-12  7:33 ` Kalle Valo

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