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From: Zebediah Figura <z.figura12@gmail.com>
To: "André Almeida" <andrealmeid@collabora.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: kernel@collabora.com, krisman@collabora.com,
	pgriffais@valvesoftware.com, joel@joelfernandes.org,
	malteskarupke@fastmail.fm, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	fweimer@redhat.com, libc-alpha@sourceware.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, shuah@kernel.org,
	acme@kernel.org, corbet@lwn.net, Peter Oskolkov <posk@posk.io>,
	Andrey Semashev <andrey.semashev@gmail.com>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/15] Add futex2 syscalls
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 23:51:41 -0500
Message-ID: <dab34fd2-b494-8686-bcd7-68beeba4f386@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210603195924.361327-1-andrealmeid@collabora.com>

On 6/3/21 2:59 PM, André Almeida wrote:
>   ** The wait on multiple problem
> 
>   The use case lies in the Wine implementation of the Windows NT interface
>   WaitMultipleObjects. This Windows API function allows a thread to sleep
>   waiting on the first of a set of event sources (mutexes, timers, signal,
>   console input, etc) to signal.  Considering this is a primitive
>   synchronization operation for Windows applications, being able to quickly
>   signal events on the producer side, and quickly go to sleep on the
>   consumer side is essential for good performance of those running over Wine.
> 

I know this is part of the cover letter, but I really do want to clarify 
that this isn't really accurate. The use case that this is referring to 
is not "the Wine implementation of WaitForMultipleObjects", it is an 
out-of-tree implementation of WaitForMultipleObjects that provides 
improved performance compared to the in-tree implementation.

This is especially salient because:

(1) this out-of-tree implementation is only in a small handful of cases 
any more performant than a different out-of-tree implementation which 
uses eventfd and poll() instead;

(2) these implementations will remain out-of-tree due to compatibility 
and robustness problems;

(3) I believe there is potential for an upstreamable implementation 
which does not rely on futex or futex2.

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Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-03 19:59 André Almeida
2021-06-03 19:59 ` [PATCH v4 01/15] futex2: Implement wait and wake functions André Almeida
2021-06-03 19:59 ` [PATCH v4 02/15] futex2: Add support for shared futexes André Almeida
2021-06-03 19:59 ` [PATCH v4 03/15] futex2: Implement vectorized wait André Almeida
2021-06-03 19:59 ` [PATCH v4 04/15] futex2: Implement requeue operation André Almeida
2021-06-03 19:59 ` [PATCH v4 05/15] futex2: Implement support for different futex sizes André Almeida
2021-06-04  0:23   ` kernel test robot
2021-06-06 19:12   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2021-06-06 23:01     ` Andrey Semashev
2021-06-03 19:59 ` [PATCH v4 06/15] futex2: Add compatibility entry point for x86_x32 ABI André Almeida
2021-06-03 19:59 ` [PATCH v4 07/15] docs: locking: futex2: Add documentation André Almeida
2021-06-06 19:23   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2021-06-03 19:59 ` [PATCH v4 08/15] selftests: futex2: Add wake/wait test André Almeida
2021-06-03 19:59 ` [PATCH v4 09/15] selftests: futex2: Add timeout test André Almeida
2021-06-03 19:59 ` [PATCH v4 10/15] selftests: futex2: Add wouldblock test André Almeida
2021-06-03 19:59 ` [PATCH v4 11/15] selftests: futex2: Add waitv test André Almeida
2021-06-03 19:59 ` [PATCH v4 12/15] selftests: futex2: Add requeue test André Almeida
2021-06-03 19:59 ` [PATCH v4 13/15] selftests: futex2: Add futex sizes test André Almeida
2021-06-03 19:59 ` [PATCH v4 14/15] perf bench: Add futex2 benchmark tests André Almeida
2021-06-03 19:59 ` [PATCH v4 15/15] kernel: Enable waitpid() for futex2 André Almeida
2021-06-04  4:51 ` Zebediah Figura [this message]
2021-06-04 17:04   ` [PATCH v4 00/15] Add futex2 syscalls André Almeida
2021-06-04 11:36 ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-04 20:01   ` André Almeida
2021-06-05  1:09     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-05  8:56       ` Andrey Semashev
2021-06-06 11:57         ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-06 13:15           ` Andrey Semashev
2021-06-08  1:25             ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-08 11:03               ` Andrey Semashev
2021-06-08 11:13                 ` Greg KH
2021-06-08 11:44                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-08 14:31                     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2021-06-08 12:06                   ` Andrey Semashev
2021-06-08 12:33                     ` Greg KH
2021-06-08 12:35                     ` Greg KH
2021-06-08 13:18                       ` Andrey Semashev
2021-06-08 13:27                         ` Greg KH
2021-06-08 13:41                           ` Andrey Semashev
2021-06-08 17:06                         ` Zebediah Figura
2021-06-08 14:14                   ` André Almeida
2021-06-07 15:40       ` André Almeida
2021-06-08  1:31         ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-08  2:33         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2021-06-08  4:45           ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-08 12:26         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-06-08 14:23           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-08 14:57             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-06-08 15:04             ` André Almeida
2021-06-08 18:08             ` Adhemerval Zanella
2021-06-08 18:19               ` Florian Weimer
2021-06-08 18:22                 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2021-06-09 16:26             ` David Laight

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