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From: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/9] Documentation: Add lock ordering and nesting documentation
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:13:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <de6fdc5d-690a-1130-c911-caccbb0b1a8f@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200316103454.iodi65uzbpat4kv5@linutronix.de>

On 3/16/20 3:34 AM, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> On 2020-03-14 15:57:24 [-0700], Randy Dunlap wrote:
>> Hi,
> Hi Randy,
> 
>> A few comments for your consideration:
> 
> I merged all of you comments but two:
> 
>> On 3/13/20 10:46 AM, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> …
>>> +rwlock_t and PREEMPT_RT
>>> +-----------------------
>>> +
>>> +On a PREEMPT_RT enabled kernel rwlock_t is mapped to a separate
>>> +implementation based on rt_mutex which changes the semantics:
>>> +
>>> + - Same changes as for spinlock_t
>>> +
>>> + - The implementation is not fair and can cause writer starvation under
>>> +   certain circumstances. The reason for this is that a writer cannot
>>> +   inherit its priority to multiple readers. Readers which are blocked
>>
>>       ^^^^^^^ I think this is backwards. Maybe more like so:
>>                                                          a writer cannot
>>       bequeath or grant or bestow or pass down    ...    its priority to
> 
> So the term "inherit" is the problem. The protocol is officially called
> PI which is short for Priority Inheritance. Other documentation,
> RT-mutex for instance, is also using this term when it is referring to
> altering the priority of a task. For that reason I prefer to keep using
> this term.

OK, I get it.

>>> +   on a writer fully support the priority inheritance protocol.
> …
>>> +raw_spinlock_t
>>> +--------------
>>> +
>>> +As raw_spinlock_t locking disables preemption and eventually interrupts the
>>> +code inside the critical region has to be careful to avoid calls into code
>>
>> Can I buy a comma in there somewhere, please?
>> I don't get it as is.
> 
> What about
> 
> | As raw_spinlock_t locking disables preemption, and eventually interrupts, the
> | code inside the critical region has to be careful to avoid calls into code
> 
> any better?

Yes.

thanks.
-- 
~Randy


  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-16 15:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-13 17:46 [PATCH 0/9] Lock ordering documentation and annotation for lockdep Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-13 17:46 ` [PATCH 1/9] Documentation: Add lock ordering and nesting documentation Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-14 22:57   ` Randy Dunlap
2020-03-16 10:34     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-16 15:13       ` Randy Dunlap [this message]
2020-03-13 17:46 ` [PATCH 2/9] timekeeping: Split jiffies seqlock Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-13 17:46 ` [PATCH 3/9] pci/switchtec: Don't abuse completion wait queue for poll Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-13 18:11   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2020-03-14  0:23     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-14  6:01       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2020-03-16 18:52         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-16 19:24           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2020-03-16 19:34     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-16 21:53       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2020-03-17  0:17         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-17  1:15           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2020-03-13 19:31   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-13 17:46 ` [PATCH 4/9] sched/swait: Prepare usage in completions Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-14  0:26   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-13 17:46 ` [PATCH 5/9] completion: Use simple wait queues Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-14 15:40   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-03-16 18:55     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-13 17:46 ` [PATCH 6/9] lockdep: Introduce wait-type checks Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-31 13:25   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-03-31 13:42     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-31 14:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-31 15:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-31 15:37         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-03-13 17:46 ` [PATCH 7/9] lockdep: Add hrtimer context tracing bits Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-13 17:47 ` [PATCH 8/9] lockdep: Annotate irq_work Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2020-03-13 17:47 ` [PATCH 9/9] lockdep: Add posixtimer context tracing bits Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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