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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	"Liu, Jing2" <jing2.liu@intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	"Bae, Chang Seok" <chang.seok.bae@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
	Jing Liu <jing2.liu@linux.intel.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 13/31] x86/fpu: Move KVMs FPU swapping to FPU core
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 14:26:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <df3af1c2-fe93-ea21-56e5-4d70d08e55f2@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d673e736-0a72-4549-816d-b755227ea797@www.fastmail.com>

On 13/10/21 12:14, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> I think it's simpler to always wait for #NM, it will only happen
>> once per vCPU.  In other words, even if the guest clears XFD before
>> it generates #NM, the guest_fpu's XFD remains nonzero and an #NM
>> vmexit is possible.  After #NM the guest_fpu's XFD is zero; then
>> passthrough can happen and the #NM vmexit trap can be disabled.
>
> This will stop being at all optimal when Intel inevitably adds
> another feature that uses XFD.  In the potentially infinite window in
> which the guest manages XFD and #NM on behalf of its userspace and
> when the guest allocates the other hypothetical feature, all the #NMs
> will have to be trapped by KVM.

The reason is that it's quite common to simply let the guest see all 
CPUID bits that KVM knows about.  But it's not unlikely that most guests 
will not ever use any XFD feature, and therefore will not ever see an 
#NM.  I wouldn't have any problem with allocating _all_ of the dynamic 
state space on the first #NM.

Thinking more about it, #NM only has to be trapped if XCR0 enables a 
dynamic feature.  In other words, the guest value of XFD can be limited 
to (host_XFD|guest_XFD) & guest_XCR0.  This avoids that KVM 
unnecessarily traps for old guests that use CR0.TS.

Paolo

> Is it really worthwhile for KVM to use XFD at all instead of
> preallocating the state and being done with it?  KVM would still have
> to avoid data loss if the guest sets XFD with non-init state, but #NM
> could always pass through.
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-13 12:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-11 23:59 [patch 00/31] x86/fpu: Preparatory cleanups for AMX support (part 1) Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-11 23:59 ` [patch 01/31] x86/fpu: Remove pointless argument from switch_fpu_finish() Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 02/31] x86/fpu: Update stale comments Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 03/31] x86/pkru: Remove useless include Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 04/31] x86/fpu: Restrict xsaves()/xrstors() to independent states Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12 14:24   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 05/31] x86/fpu: Cleanup the on_boot_cpu clutter Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 06/31] x86/fpu: Remove pointless memset in fpu_clone() Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 07/31] x86/process: Clone FPU in copy_thread() Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 08/31] x86/fpu: Do not inherit FPU context for kernel and IO worker threads Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 09/31] x86/fpu: Do not inherit FPU context for CLONE_THREAD Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12 16:10   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-12 18:52     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12 19:01       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 10/31] x86/fpu: Cleanup xstate xcomp_bv initialization Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 11/31] x86/fpu/xstate: Provide and use for_each_xfeature() Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12 16:45   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 12/31] x86/fpu/xstate: Mark all init only functions __init Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 13/31] x86/fpu: Move KVMs FPU swapping to FPU core Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12 16:53   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-12 18:25     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12 18:26       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12 17:22   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-13  6:15     ` Liu, Jing2
2021-10-13  6:26       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-13  7:46         ` Liu, Jing2
2021-10-13  8:42           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-13 10:14             ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-10-13 12:26               ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2021-10-13 14:14                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-13 14:24                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-13 14:59                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-10-13 15:05                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-13 10:25             ` Liu, Jing2
2021-10-13 12:37               ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-13 14:06             ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-14  6:50               ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-14  8:02                 ` Liu, Jing2
2021-10-14  9:01                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-14 11:21                     ` Liu, Jing2
2021-10-14 11:33                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-14 11:30                     ` Liu, Jing2
2021-10-14 11:39                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-22  8:50                         ` Liu, Jing2
2021-10-14 14:09                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-14 14:37                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-14 15:01                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-14 19:14                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-15  9:20                           ` Liu, Jing2
2021-10-15  9:36                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-15 14:24                             ` Liu, Jing2
2021-10-15 15:53                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-16 14:45                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-15  9:00                         ` Liu, Jing2
2021-10-15 10:50                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-15 11:17                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-15 13:01                             ` Liu, Jing2
2021-10-14 12:23                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-14 12:26                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-14 14:23                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-13 15:12       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-14  8:21         ` Liu, Jing2
2021-10-14 13:08           ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 14/31] x86/fpu: Replace KVMs homebrewn FPU copy from user Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12 17:00   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-13 14:57     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-10-13 15:12       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-13 15:16       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12 17:30   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 15/31] x86/fpu: Rework copy_xstate_to_uabi_buf() Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12 17:30   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 16/31] x86/fpu: Replace KVMs homebrewn FPU copy to user Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12 17:10   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-12 17:36   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-12 17:47     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12 18:40       ` [patch V2 16/31] x86/fpu: Replace KVMs home brewed " Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-13  5:34       ` [patch 16/31] x86/fpu: Replace KVMs homebrewn " Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 17/31] x86/fpu: Mark fpu__init_prepare_fx_sw_frame() as __init Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 18/31] x86/fpu: Move context switch and exit to user inlines into sched.h Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 19/31] x86/fpu: Clean up cpu feature tests Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 20/31] x86/fpu: Make os_xrstor_booting() private Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 21/31] x86/fpu: Move os_xsave() and os_xrstor() to core Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 22/31] x86/fpu: Move legacy ASM wrappers " Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 23/31] x86/fpu: Make WARN_ON_FPU() private Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 24/31] x86/fpu: Move fpregs_restore_userregs() to core Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12 17:32   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 25/31] x86/fpu: Move mxcsr related code " Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 26/31] x86/fpu: Move fpstate functions to api.h Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12 17:46   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 27/31] x86/fpu: Remove internal.h dependency from fpu/signal.h Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 28/31] x86/sev: Include fpu/xcr.h Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  7:24   ` Xiaoyao Li
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 29/31] x86/fpu: Mop up the internal.h leftovers Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 30/31] x86/fpu: Replace the includes of fpu/internal.h Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12  0:00 ` [patch 31/31] x86/fpu: Provide a proper function for ex_handler_fprestore() Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-12 21:15 ` [patch 00/31] x86/fpu: Preparatory cleanups for AMX support (part 1) Thomas Gleixner

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