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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Iv=E1n?= Chavero To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , esr@thyrsus.com, Greg Kroah-Hartman , visionsofalice@redchan.it, linux-kernel , rms@gnu.org, bruce@perens.com, moglen@columbia.edu, bkuhn@sfconservancy.org, editor@lwn.net, NeilBrown , Laura Abbott , Linus Torvalds , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Thomas Gleixner , Olof Johansson , Chris Mason , Mishi Choudhary , linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 17:32:33 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20181025204718.GB25649@thunk.org> References: <20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com> <87y3ar80ac.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> <185b786a2bd6e8d527dca161dc42e4f1@redchan.it> <20181025081911.GB11343@kroah.com> <20181025193901.GD26403@thyrsus.com> <20181025204718.GB25649@thunk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 (3.28.5-1.fc28) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org El jue, 25-10-2018 a las 16:47 -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o escribió: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 03:39:01PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > > > Under Jacobsen vs. Katzer (535 f 3d 1373 fed cir 2008) authors of > > GPLed software have a specific right to relief (including > > injunctive > > relief) against misappropriation of their software. That ruling > > (which > > was the case of first impression on the binding status of the GPL) > > reputational damage is *specifically* recognized as grounds for > > relief. > > I've read the legal briefs, and I'm pretty sure they don't say what > you are claiming they say. Yes, I'm not a lawyer --- but that's OK > --- neither are you. > > > The anti-CoC dissidents don't have to rescind their license grant > > to > > cause a great deal of trouble. > > The *vast* majority of the "anti-CoC dissidents" who have been > advancing this argument, have, as near as I can tell, little or no > copyright ownership in the kernel. They are external trolls who are > not members of the kernel development community, to the best of my > belief and knowledge. I understand the point, but being an outsider from the kernel development community, does not mean i should not care about Linux development and this particular community. I have been promoting, using, installing, testing and loving Linux for more than 20 years now. One of the things that got me into it and still appreciate a lot is the meritocracy: the norm of technical excellence, the: "it does not matter who you are as long as you contribute good code". This CoC "movement" is part of an anti meritocracy "movement" that should not be influencing a project that thanks to this meritocracy has become the most important in the world. I'll take one of the arguments of the CoC promoters and use it on my favor: The Linux community has grown more than just a bunch of developers it has: promoters, users, testers, enthusiast, companies, foundations, etc... I wouldn't like that a negative code of conduct (yes its languaje is aggresive and charged with negativity, politics and victimization) compromise the technical aspects of a critical system like the Linux kernel. When it comes to coding, Engineers should be above that stuff. > > In short; they are adding noise to the conversation, and have been > presuming that in fact people are going to be regularly and summarily > ejected from the community. In short, they are adding FUD, probably > because they have their own agenda. I have one agenda: World Domination :P > I would recommend that before people respond such provocation > messages, that they do a quick "git log" and find out whether they > have in fact contributed code to the kernel at all, and if so, how > long ago it was. Just want to clarify that this is not a provocation, just got tired of being a passive member of this discussion. You're right the people with more merit in this list should have a more important voice since it shows the commitment to the development. BTW Thanks for the comment, i will start contributing to the extent of my capacities. As i say, the reach of Linux is broader than just the development community. Too bad you can't git log all the servers that people has installed and maintaining during the years. > Regards, > > - Ted Cheers, Ivan