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From: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	Jean-Philippe Aumasson <jeanphilippe.aumasson@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Daniel J . Bernstein" <djb@cr.yp.to>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] siphash: add cryptographically secure hashtable function
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 09:31:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f1ab5685-f8af-5f58-a217-fe53262ecf45@stressinduktion.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHmME9r8-JMqkOdz4PLgF13qYGk8XAmEjGep40k3GVYfUS_sPw@mail.gmail.com>

On 15.12.2016 00:29, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> Hi Hannes,
> 
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Hannes Frederic Sowa
> <hannes@stressinduktion.org> wrote:
>> I fear that the alignment requirement will be a source of bugs on 32 bit
>> machines, where you cannot even simply take a well aligned struct on a
>> stack and put it into the normal siphash(aligned) function without
>> adding alignment annotations everywhere. Even blocks returned from
>> kmalloc on 32 bit are not aligned to 64 bit.
> 
> That's what the "__aligned(SIPHASH24_ALIGNMENT)" attribute is for. The
> aligned siphash function will be for structs explicitly made for
> siphash consumption. For everything else there's siphash_unaligned.

So in case you have a pointer from somewhere on 32 bit you can
essentially only guarantee it has natural alignment or max. native
alignment (based on the arch). gcc only fulfills your request for
alignment when you allocate on the stack (minus gcc bugs).

Let's say you get a pointer from somewhere, maybe embedded in a struct,
which came from kmalloc. kmalloc doesn't care about aligned attribute,
it will align according to architecture description. That said, if you
want to hash that, you would need manually align the memory returned
from kmalloc or make sure the the data is more than naturally aligned on
that architecture.

>> Can we do this a runtime check and just have one function (siphash)
>> dealing with that?
> 
> Seems like the runtime branching on the aligned function would be bad
> for performance, when we likely know at compile time if it's going to
> be aligned or not. I suppose we could add that check just to the
> unaligned version, and rename it to "maybe_unaligned"? Is this what
> you have in mind?

I argue that you mostly don't know at compile time if it is correctly
aligned if the alignment requirements are larger than the natural ones.

Also, we don't even have that for memcpy, even we use it probably much
more than hashing, so I think this is overkill.

Bye,
Hannes

  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-15  8:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-14  3:59 [PATCH v2 1/4] siphash: add cryptographically secure hashtable function Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14  3:59 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] siphash: add convenience functions for jhash converts Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14  3:59 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] secure_seq: use siphash24 instead of md5_transform Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 12:53   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 13:16     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-14 13:44       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 14:47         ` David Laight
2016-12-14 17:49           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 17:56     ` David Miller
2016-12-14 18:06       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 19:22         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-14 19:38           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 20:27             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-14 20:12     ` Tom Herbert
2016-12-14 21:01       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14  3:59 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] random: use siphash24 instead of md5 for get_random_int/long Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 11:21 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] siphash: add cryptographically secure hashtable function Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-14 13:10   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 15:09     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-14 19:47       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15  7:57     ` Herbert Xu
2016-12-15  8:15       ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2016-12-14 12:46 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 22:03   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-14 23:29     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15  8:31       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa [this message]
2016-12-15 11:04     ` David Laight
2016-12-15 12:23       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-15 12:28         ` David Laight
2016-12-15 12:50           ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-15 13:56             ` David Laight
2016-12-15 14:56               ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-15 15:41                 ` David Laight
2016-12-15 15:53                   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-15 18:50                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 20:31                       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-15 20:43                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 21:04                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-15 21:09                             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-15 21:17                           ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-15 21:09                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-15 21:11                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 21:14                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-14 18:46 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 18:46   ` [PATCH v3 2/3] secure_seq: use siphash24 instead of md5_transform Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 21:44     ` kbuild test robot
2016-12-14 18:46   ` [PATCH v3 3/3] random: use siphash24 instead of md5 for get_random_int/long Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 21:56     ` kbuild test robot
2016-12-14 21:57     ` kbuild test robot
2016-12-15 10:14     ` David Laight
2016-12-15 18:51       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 19:18   ` [PATCH v3 1/3] siphash: add cryptographically secure hashtable function Tom Herbert
2016-12-14 19:35     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 20:55       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 21:35         ` Tom Herbert
2016-12-14 22:56           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-14 23:14             ` Tom Herbert
2016-12-14 23:17               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-18  0:06                 ` Christian Kujau
2016-12-14 23:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-14 23:34               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15  0:10                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-12-15 10:22                   ` David Laight
2016-12-14 21:15   ` kbuild test robot
2016-12-14 21:21     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15  1:46   ` [PATCH v4 1/4] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15  1:46     ` [PATCH v4 2/4] siphash: add N[qd]word helpers Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15  1:46     ` [PATCH v4 3/4] secure_seq: use siphash instead of md5_transform Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15  1:46     ` [PATCH v4 4/4] random: use siphash instead of MD5 for get_random_int/long Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15  4:23     ` [PATCH v4 1/4] siphash: add cryptographically secure hashtable function kbuild test robot
2016-12-15 21:25 [PATCH v2 " Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-15 21:45 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-15 23:43   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2016-12-16  0:03     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-12-15 23:47   ` Jason A. Donenfeld

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