From: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: "Schaufler, Casey" <casey.schaufler@intel.com>,
"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com"
<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org"
<linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
"selinux@tycho.nsa.gov" <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>,
"Hansen, Dave" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
"Dock, Deneen T" <deneen.t.dock@intel.com>,
"kristen@linux.intel.com" <kristen@linux.intel.com>,
"arjan@linux.intel.com" <arjan@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 5/5] SELinux: Support SELinux determination of side-channel vulnerability
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:43:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f74a5824-c80a-bdb9-2d4a-e83d19ae07e8@tycho.nsa.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <99FC4B6EFCEFD44486C35F4C281DC6732143F80E@ORSMSX107.amr.corp.intel.com>
On 08/20/2018 12:59 PM, Schaufler, Casey wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephen Smalley [mailto:sds@tycho.nsa.gov]
>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 9:03 AM
>> To: Schaufler, Casey <casey.schaufler@intel.com>; kernel-
>> hardening@lists.openwall.com; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-security-
>> module@vger.kernel.org; selinux@tycho.nsa.gov; Hansen, Dave
>> <dave.hansen@intel.com>; Dock, Deneen T <deneen.t.dock@intel.com>;
>> kristen@linux.intel.com; arjan@linux.intel.com
>> Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 5/5] SELinux: Support SELinux determination of
>> side-channel vulnerability
>>
>> On 08/17/2018 06:16 PM, Casey Schaufler wrote:
>>> SELinux considers tasks to be side-channel safe if they
>>> have PROCESS_SHARE access.
>>
>> Now the description and the code no longer match.
>
> You're right.
>
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Casey Schaufler <casey.schaufler@intel.com>
>>> ---
>>> security/selinux/hooks.c | 9 +++++++++
>>> 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/security/selinux/hooks.c b/security/selinux/hooks.c
>>> index a8bf324130f5..7fbd7d7ac1cb 100644
>>> --- a/security/selinux/hooks.c
>>> +++ b/security/selinux/hooks.c
>>> @@ -4219,6 +4219,14 @@ static void selinux_task_to_inode(struct
>> task_struct *p,
>>> spin_unlock(&isec->lock);
>>> }
>>>
>>> +static int selinux_task_safe_sidechannel(struct task_struct *p)
>>> +{
>>> + struct av_decision avd;
>>> +
>>> + return avc_has_perm_noaudit(&selinux_state, current_sid(),
>> task_sid(p),
>>> + SECCLASS_FILE, FILE__READ, 0, &avd);
>>> +}
>>
>> And my question from before still stands: why do we need a new hook and
>> new security module instead of just using ptrace_may_access()?
>
> Locking. The SELinux check, for example, will lock up solid while trying
> to generate an audit record. There is no good reason aside from coding
> convenience to assume that the same restrictions will apply for side-channel
> as apply to ptrace. I'm actually a touch surprised you're not suggesting a
> separate SECCLASS or access mode for the SELinux hook.
The PTRACE_MODE_NOAUDIT flag to ptrace_may_access() would address the
locking concern. Duplicating the ptrace access checking logic seems
prone to errors and inconsistencies. I can't imagine policy writers
understanding what "safe sidechannel" means, much less deciding when to
allow it.
>
>>
>>> +
>>> /* Returns error only if unable to parse addresses */
>>> static int selinux_parse_skb_ipv4(struct sk_buff *skb,
>>> struct common_audit_data *ad, u8 *proto)
>>> @@ -7002,6 +7010,7 @@ static struct security_hook_list selinux_hooks[]
>> __lsm_ro_after_init = {
>>> LSM_HOOK_INIT(task_movememory, selinux_task_movememory),
>>> LSM_HOOK_INIT(task_kill, selinux_task_kill),
>>> LSM_HOOK_INIT(task_to_inode, selinux_task_to_inode),
>>> + LSM_HOOK_INIT(task_safe_sidechannel,
>> selinux_task_safe_sidechannel),
>>>
>>> LSM_HOOK_INIT(ipc_permission, selinux_ipc_permission),
>>> LSM_HOOK_INIT(ipc_getsecid, selinux_ipc_getsecid),
>>>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-08-20 17:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-08-17 22:16 [PATCH RFC v2 0/5] LSM: Add and use a hook for side-channel safety checks Casey Schaufler
2018-08-17 22:16 ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/5] LSM: Introduce a hook for side-channel danger Casey Schaufler
2018-08-17 22:16 ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/5] X86: Support LSM determination of side-channel vulnerability Casey Schaufler
2018-08-17 23:55 ` Jann Horn
2018-08-20 14:45 ` Schaufler, Casey
2018-08-21 10:20 ` Jann Horn
2018-08-21 16:37 ` Schaufler, Casey
2018-08-21 17:45 ` Jann Horn
2018-08-17 22:16 ` [PATCH RFC v2 3/5] LSM: Security module checking for side-channel dangers Casey Schaufler
2018-08-17 23:52 ` Jann Horn
2018-08-20 15:31 ` Schaufler, Casey
2018-08-17 22:16 ` [PATCH RFC v2 4/5] Smack: Support determination of side-channel vulnerability Casey Schaufler
2018-08-17 22:16 ` [PATCH RFC v2 5/5] SELinux: Support SELinux " Casey Schaufler
2018-08-20 16:02 ` Stephen Smalley
2018-08-20 16:59 ` Schaufler, Casey
2018-08-20 17:43 ` Stephen Smalley [this message]
2018-08-20 19:30 ` Schaufler, Casey
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