From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302E5C3A5A7 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2019 13:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063552168B for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2019 13:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1730102AbfIDNVV (ORCPT ); Wed, 4 Sep 2019 09:21:21 -0400 Received: from mail.thelounge.net ([91.118.73.15]:59163 "EHLO mail.thelounge.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1729020AbfIDNVV (ORCPT ); Wed, 4 Sep 2019 09:21:21 -0400 Received: from srv-rhsoft.rhsoft.net (Authenticated sender: h.reindl@thelounge.net) by mail.thelounge.net (THELOUNGE MTA) with ESMTPSA id 46Nkws0PVKzXMk; Wed, 4 Sep 2019 15:21:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: "beyond 2038" warnings from loopback mount is noisy To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , Deepa Dinamani Cc: Arnd Bergmann , Qian Cai , Jeff Layton , Alexander Viro , Linux FS-devel Mailing List , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Ext4 Developers List , Andreas Dilger References: <1567523922.5576.57.camel@lca.pw> <20190903211747.GD2899@mit.edu> <20190904125834.GA3044@mit.edu> From: Reindl Harald Openpgp: id=9D2B46CDBC140A36753AE4D733174D5A5892B7B8; url=https://arrakis-tls.thelounge.net/gpg/h.reindl_thelounge.net.pub.txt Organization: the lounge interactive design Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 15:21:16 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190904125834.GA3044@mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: de-CH Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Am 04.09.19 um 14:58 schrieb Theodore Y. Ts'o: > Again, the likelihood that there will be file systems that have this > problem in 2038 is... extremely low in my judgement. Storage media > just doesn't last that long in times of virtualization storage media are below the vdisk and the file system lasts that long and even longer in times of running RAID on your storage they last that long because you happily replace dead disks and move you hard drives to the next computer when the rest of the hardware is dead > and distributions such as Red Hat and > SuSE very strongly encourage people to reformat file systems and do > *not* support upgrades from ext3 to ext4 by using tune2fs. If you do > this, their help desk will laugh at you and refuse to help you. i would have laughed at somebody telling me in 2010 that i have to start again from scratch instead convert all the virtual servers installed two years ago to ext4 or in general install repeatly from scratch instead doing all the dist-upgrades from Fedora 9 to Fedora 30 with no downtime longer than a ordinary kernel update and reboot and here we are, with file systems and operating systems installed in 2008 running 11 years later just fine - it's Linux not Windows