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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
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Subject: Re: siginfo_t ABI break on sparc64 from si_addr_lsb move 3y ago
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:15:20 -0500
Message-ID: <m17dkjttpj.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YIxVWkT03TqcJLY3@elver.google.com> (Marco Elver's message of "Fri, 30 Apr 2021 21:07:06 +0200")

Marco Elver <elver@google.com> writes:

> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 12:08PM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> writes:
> [...] 
>> >> I did a quick search and the architectures that define __ARCH_SI_TRAPNO
>> >> are sparc, mips, and alpha.  All have 64bit implementations.  A further
>> >> quick search shows that none of those architectures have faults that
>> >> use BUS_MCEERR_AR, BUS_MCEERR_AO, SEGV_BNDERR, SEGV_PKUERR, nor do
>> >> they appear to use mm/memory-failure.c
>> >>
>> >> So it doesn't look like we have an ABI regression to fix.
>> >
>> > Even better!
>> >
>> > So if sparc is the only user of _trapno and it uses none of the later
>> > fields in _sigfault, I wonder if we could take even more liberty at
>> > trying to have a slightly saner definition. Can you think of anything that
>> > might break if we put _trapno inside of the union along with _perf
>> > and _addr_lsb?
>> 
>> On sparc si_trapno is only set when SIGILL ILL_TRP is set.  So we can
>> limit si_trapno to that combination, and it should not be a problem for
>> a new signal/si_code pair to use that storage.  Precisely because it is
>> new.
>> 
>> Similarly on alpha si_trapno is only set for:
>> 
>> SIGFPE {FPE_INTOVF, FPE_INTDIV, FPE_FLTOVF, FPE_FLTDIV, FPE_FLTUND,
>> FPE_FLTINV, FPE_FLTRES, FPE_FLTUNK} and SIGTRAP {TRAP_UNK}.
>> 
>> Placing si_trapno into the union would also make the problem that the
>> union is pointer aligned a non-problem as then the union immediate
>> follows a pointer.
>> 
>> I hadn't had a chance to look before but we must deal with this.  The
>> definition of perf_sigtrap in 42dec9a936e7696bea1f27d3c5a0068cd9aa95fd
>> is broken on sparc, alpha, and ia64 as it bypasses the code in
>> kernel/signal.c that ensures the si_trapno or the ia64 special fields
>> are set.
>> 
>> Not to mention that perf_sigtrap appears to abuse si_errno.
>
> There are a few other places in the kernel that repurpose si_errno
> similarly, e.g. arch/arm64/kernel/ptrace.c, kernel/seccomp.c -- it was
> either that or introduce another field or not have it. It is likely we
> could do without, but if there are different event types the user would
> have to sacrifice a few bits of si_perf to encode the event type, and
> I'd rather keep those bits for something else. Thus the decision fell to
> use si_errno.

arm64 only abuses si_errno in compat code for bug compatibility with
arm32.

> Given it'd be wasted space otherwise, and we define the semantics of
> whatever is stored in siginfo on the new signal, it'd be good to keep.

Except you don't completely.  You are not defining a new signal.  You
are extending the definition of SIGTRAP.  Anything generic that
responds to all SIGTRAPs can reasonably be looking at si_errno.

Further you are already adding a field with si_perf you can just as
easily add a second field with well defined semantics for that data.

>> The code is only safe if the analysis that says we can move si_trapno
>> and perhaps the ia64 fields into the union is correct.  It looks like
>> ia64 much more actively uses it's signal extension fields including for
>> SIGTRAP, so I am not at all certain the generic definition of
>> perf_sigtrap is safe on ia64.
>
> Trying to understand the requirements of si_trapno myself: safe here
> would mean that si_trapno is not required if we fire our SIGTRAP /
> TRAP_PERF.
>
> As far as I can tell that is the case -- see below.
>
>> > I suppose in theory sparc64 or alpha might start using the other
>> > fields in the future, and an application might be compiled against
>> > mismatched headers, but that is unlikely and is already broken
>> > with the current headers.
>> 
>> If we localize the use of si_trapno to just a few special cases on alpha
>> and sparc I think we don't even need to worry about breaking userspace
>> on any architecture.  It will complicate siginfo_layout, but it is a
>> complication that reflects reality.
>> 
>> I don't have a clue how any of this affects ia64.  Does perf work on
>> ia64?  Does perf work on sparc, and alpha?
>> 
>> If perf works on ia64 we need to take a hard look at what is going on
>> there as well.
>
> No perf on ia64, but it seems alpha and sparc have perf:
>
> 	$ git grep 'select.*HAVE_PERF_EVENTS$' -- arch/
> 	arch/alpha/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS    <--
> 	arch/arc/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS
> 	arch/arm/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS
> 	arch/arm64/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS
> 	arch/csky/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS
> 	arch/hexagon/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS
> 	arch/mips/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS
> 	arch/nds32/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS
> 	arch/parisc/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS
> 	arch/powerpc/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS
> 	arch/riscv/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS
> 	arch/s390/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS
> 	arch/sh/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS
> 	arch/sparc/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS    <--
> 	arch/x86/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS
> 	arch/xtensa/Kconfig:	select HAVE_PERF_EVENTS
>
> Now, given ia64 is not an issue, I wanted to understand the semantics of
> si_trapno. Per https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/sigaction.2.html, I
> see:
>
> 	int si_trapno;    /* Trap number that caused
> 			     hardware-generated signal
> 			     (unused on most architectures) */
>
> ... its intended semantics seem to suggest it would only be used by some
> architecture-specific signal like you identified above. So if the
> semantics is some code of a hardware trap/fault, then we're fine and do
> not need to set it.
>
> Also bearing in mind we define the semantics any new signal, and given
> most architectures do not have si_trapno, definitions of new generic
> signals should probably not include odd architecture specific details
> related to old architectures.
>
> From all this, my understanding now is that we can move si_trapno into
> the union, correct? What else did you have in mind?

Yes.  Let's move si_trapno into the union.

That implies a few things like siginfo_layout needs to change.

The helpers in kernel/signal.c can change to not imply that
if you define __ARCH_SI_TRAPNO you must always define and
pass in si_trapno.  A force_sig_trapno could be defined instead
to handle the cases that alpha and sparc use si_trapno.

It would be nice if a force_sig_perf_trap could be factored
out of perf_trap and placed in kernel/signal.c.

My experience (especially this round) is that it becomes much easier to
audit the users of siginfo if there is a dedicated function in
kernel/signal.c that is simply passed the parameters that need
to be placed in siginfo.

So I would very much like to see if I can make force_sig_info static.

Eric


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Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-29  7:48 Marco Elver
2021-04-29 17:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-29 18:46   ` Marco Elver
2021-04-29 20:48   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-04-30 17:08     ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-30 19:07       ` Marco Elver
2021-04-30 20:15         ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2021-04-30 23:50           ` Marco Elver
2021-04-30 22:49         ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] signal: Move si_trapno into the _si_fault union Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-30 22:50           ` [PATCH 1/3] siginfo: Move si_trapno inside the union inside _si_fault Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01 10:31             ` Marco Elver
2021-05-02 18:27               ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-30 22:54           ` [PATCH 2/3] signal: Implement SIL_FAULT_TRAPNO Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-30 23:19             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01 10:33             ` Marco Elver
2021-05-02 18:24               ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-30 22:55           ` [PATCH 3/3] signal: Use dedicated helpers to send signals with si_trapno set Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01 10:33             ` Marco Elver
2021-04-30 22:56           ` [PATCH 4/3] signal: Remove __ARCH_SI_TRAPNO Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-30 23:23           ` Is perf_sigtrap synchronous? Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01  0:28             ` Marco Elver
2021-04-30 23:42           ` [PATCH 5/3] signal: Rename SIL_PERF_EVENT SIL_FAULT_PERF_EVENT for consistency Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01 10:35             ` Marco Elver
2021-04-30 23:43           ` [PATCH 6/3] signal: Factor force_sig_perf out of perf_sigtrap Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01 10:45             ` Marco Elver
2021-04-30 23:43           ` [PATCH 7/3] signal: Deliver all of the perf_data in si_perf Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01 10:47             ` Marco Elver
2021-05-02 18:39               ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-02 19:13                 ` Marco Elver
2021-05-03 12:44                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-05-03 19:38                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-03 19:53                     ` Marco Elver
2021-04-30 23:47           ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] signal: Move si_trapno into the _si_fault union Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01  0:37             ` Marco Elver
2021-05-01 15:16               ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01 16:24                 ` Marco Elver
2021-05-03 20:25                   ` [PATCH 00/12] signal: sort out si_trapno and si_perf Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-03 20:38                     ` [PATCH 01/12] sparc64: Add compile-time asserts for siginfo_t offsets Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 02/12] arm: " Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 03/12] arm64: " Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 04/12] siginfo: Move si_trapno inside the union inside _si_fault Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 05/12] signal: Implement SIL_FAULT_TRAPNO Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 06/12] signal: Use dedicated helpers to send signals with si_trapno set Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 07/12] signal: Remove __ARCH_SI_TRAPNO Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 08/12] signal: Rename SIL_PERF_EVENT SIL_FAULT_PERF_EVENT for consistency Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 09/12] signal: Factor force_sig_perf out of perf_sigtrap Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 10/12] signal: Redefine signinfo so 64bit fields are possible Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 21:04                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-03 22:47                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-04  3:42                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-04  4:03                               ` Peter Collingbourne
2021-05-04  9:52                                 ` Marco Elver
2021-05-04 16:16                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 11/12] signal: Deliver all of the siginfo perf data in _perf Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 12/12] signalfd: Remove SIL_FAULT_PERF_EVENT fields from signalfd_siginfo Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-04 21:13                     ` [PATCH v3 00/12] signal: sort out si_trapno and si_perf Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-04 22:05                       ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 14:12                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-05 14:10                       ` [PATCH v3 01/12] sparc64: Add compile-time asserts for siginfo_t offsets Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 02/12] arm: " Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 03/12] arm64: " Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 04/12] signal: Verify the alignment and size of siginfo_t Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:24                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 05/12] siginfo: Move si_trapno inside the union inside _si_fault Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 06/12] signal: Implement SIL_FAULT_TRAPNO Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:25                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 07/12] signal: Use dedicated helpers to send signals with si_trapno set Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:25                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 08/12] signal: Remove __ARCH_SI_TRAPNO Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:25                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 09/12] signal: Rename SIL_PERF_EVENT SIL_FAULT_PERF_EVENT for consistency Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:26                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 10/12] signal: Factor force_sig_perf out of perf_sigtrap Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:26                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-06 10:54                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-05-05 14:11                         ` [PATCH v3 11/12] signal: Deliver all of the siginfo perf data in _perf Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:27                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 14:11                         ` [PATCH v3 12/12] signalfd: Remove SIL_FAULT_PERF_EVENT fields from signalfd_siginfo Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:27                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 17:28                       ` [PATCH v3 00/12] signal: sort out si_trapno and si_perf Marco Elver
2021-05-06  7:00                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-05-06 10:43                         ` Marco Elver
2021-05-06 15:28                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-06 15:14                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-14  4:54                       ` [GIT PULL] siginfo: ABI fixes for v5.13-rc2 Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-14 19:14                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-05-14 21:15                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-14 22:38                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-16  7:40                         ` Ingo Molnar
2021-05-17 15:29                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-21 14:59                         ` [GIT PULL] siginfo: ABI fixes for v5.13-rc3 Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-21 16:34                           ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-05-17 19:56                       ` [PATCH v4 0/5] siginfo: ABI fixes for TRAP_PERF Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-17 19:57                         ` [PATCH v4 1/5] siginfo: Move si_trapno inside the union inside _si_fault Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-17 19:57                           ` [PATCH v4 2/5] signal: Implement SIL_FAULT_TRAPNO Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-17 19:57                           ` [PATCH v4 3/5] signal: Factor force_sig_perf out of perf_sigtrap Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-17 19:57                           ` [PATCH v4 4/5] signal: Deliver all of the siginfo perf data in _perf Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-17 19:57                           ` [PATCH v4 5/5] signalfd: Remove SIL_PERF_EVENT fields from signalfd_siginfo Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-17 20:53                         ` [PATCH v4 0/5] siginfo: ABI fixes for TRAP_PERF Marco Elver
2021-05-18  3:46                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-18  6:44                             ` Marco Elver
2021-05-01 16:26               ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] signal: Move si_trapno into the _si_fault union Marco Elver
2021-04-30 20:43       ` siginfo_t ABI break on sparc64 from si_addr_lsb move 3y ago Arnd Bergmann

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