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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
Cc: Benjamin Thery <benjamin.thery@bull.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Daniel Lezcano <dlezcano@fr.ibm.com>,
	Serge Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/11] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support.
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:20:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1ej6enep7.fsf@frodo.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4869D314.5030403@gmail.com> (Tejun Heo's message of "Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:47:48 +0900")

Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com> writes:

> Hello, Eric.
>
> Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>> It's still dynamic from sysfs's POV and I think that will make
>>> maintenance more difficult.
>> 
>> Potentially.  I have no problem make it clear that things are more static.
>
> Great. :-)
>

> Having enumed tag types limits that a sb can have map to only one tag
> but it doesn't really prevent multiple possibly visible entries which is
> the real unnecessary degrees of freedom.  That said, I don't really
> think it's an issue.

Having a single tag type per directory and thus a single tag visible per
directory does prevent multiple possible visible entries.

That is we can check when we add the sd if there will be a conflict in
the directory.

>> The number of tag types will be low as it is the number of subsystems
>> that use the feature.  Simple enough that I expect statically allocating
>> the tag types in an enumeration is a safe and sane way to operate.
>> i.e.
>> 
>> enum sysfs_tag_types {
>> 	SYSFS_TAG_NETNS,
>> 	SYSFS_TAG_USERNS,
>>         SYSFS_TAG_MAX
>> };
>
> I still would prefer something which is more generic.  The abstraction
> is clearer too.  A sb shows untagged and a set of tags.  A sd can either
> be untagged or tagged (a single tag).

That is the abstraction now.

The only difference is how we represent the set of tags.
I use and array of the valid tags.
You use a bitmap.

And array allows the lookup of the tag I am looking for before
I search for the sd.  An bitmap requires me to compare each entry.

For me that is a deal breaker.  Currently in certain pathological
cases we have scaling issues with sysctl and sysfs that we can
have enormous directories that start running slowly.  To fix
lookup performance requires that we know the full name before
we do the directory search which is the name string and the
tag.

So I having a type of tag as being of fundamental importance in
the interface now so we don't need to refactor all of the users
later.  In addition to the fact that we need the type to know
how to set the tags when mounting a superblock and when
given a new kobject to create an sd for.

We could make the types dynamic rather then a static enumeration but
that seems needless complexity for now.

> Using ida (or idr if a pointer for private data is necessary) is really
> easy.  It'll probably take a few tens of lines of code.  That said, I
> don't think I have enough rationale to nack what you described.  So, as
> long as the tags are made static, I won't object.

Sounds good.  The only justification I can think of for ida tags is that
they are smaller, and so can keep the sysfs_dirents smaller.    Which
occasionally is a significant concern.  Still that should be an optimization
that we can apply later, as it is not a structural difference in the code.

Just to confirm.  Do you the two operations:
  mount_tag - called only when the sb is mounted 
  kobject_tag - called when we create new sd or rename an sd

Cause you to view an the tags as dynamic?

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-01  9:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-18 17:07 [PATCH 00/11] sysfs tagged directories V6 Benjamin Thery
2008-06-18 17:07 ` [PATCH 01/11] sysfs: Support for preventing unmounts Benjamin Thery
2008-06-18 17:44   ` Dave Hansen
2008-06-18 20:12     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-06-19  8:54       ` Benjamin Thery
2008-06-19 16:32       ` Dave Hansen
2008-06-19 20:19         ` Benjamin Thery 
2008-06-18 17:07 ` [PATCH 02/11] sysfs: sysfs_get_dentry add a sb parameter Benjamin Thery
2008-06-18 17:07 ` [PATCH 03/11] sysfs: Implement __sysfs_get_dentry Benjamin Thery
2008-06-18 17:08 ` [PATCH 04/11] sysfs: Rename Support multiple superblocks Benjamin Thery
2008-06-18 17:08 ` [PATCH 05/11] sysfs: sysfs_chmod_file handle " Benjamin Thery
2008-06-22  4:46   ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-23 21:42     ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-06-24  4:45       ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-24 10:39         ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-06-24 13:37         ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-06-25 12:31           ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-18 17:08 ` [PATCH 06/11] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support Benjamin Thery
2008-06-23  2:05   ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-26 20:21     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-06-29  3:51       ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-30 18:56         ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-06-30 21:44           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-07-01  7:50             ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-01  6:47           ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-01  9:20             ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2008-07-01 10:30               ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-01 12:30                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-02  3:24                   ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-02  3:53                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-02  4:37                       ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-02 16:49                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-03  0:15                           ` Greg KH
2008-07-03  3:18                           ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-03  5:11                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-03 10:56                               ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-07-03 12:27                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-03 12:37                                   ` Benjamin Thery
2008-07-03 19:57                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-03 12:55                                   ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-07-03 15:58                                   ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-03 18:29                                     ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-07-03 20:08                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  0:48                                     ` [PATCH 00/15] sysfs support for namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  1:05                                       ` [PATCH 01/15] kobject: Cleanup kobject_rename and !CONFIG_SYSFS Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  1:07                                         ` [PATCH 02/15] sysfs: Support for preventing unmounts Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  1:08                                           ` [PATCH 03/15] sysfs: sysfs_get_dentry add a sb parameter Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  1:09                                             ` [PATCH 04/15] sysfs: Implement __sysfs_get_dentry Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  1:10                                               ` [PATCH 05/15] sysfs: Rename Support multiple superblocks Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  1:11                                                 ` [PATCH 06/15] Introduce sysfs_sd_setattr and fix sysfs_chmod Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  1:13                                                   ` [PATCH 07/15] sysfs: sysfs_chmod_file handle multiple superblocks Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  1:14                                                     ` [PATCH 08/15] sysfs: Make sysfs_mount static once again Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  1:16                                                       ` [PATCH 09/15] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  1:17                                                         ` [PATCH 10/15] sysfs: Merge sysfs_rename_dir and sysfs_move_dir Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  1:18                                                           ` [PATCH 11/15] sysfs: Implement sysfs_delete_link and sysfs_rename_link Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  1:20                                                             ` [PATCH 12/15] driver core: Implement tagged directory support for device classes Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  1:21                                                               ` [PATCH 13/15] Revert "netns: Fix device renaming for sysfs" Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  1:22                                                                 ` [PATCH 14/15] netns: Enable tagging for net_class directories in sysfs Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  1:23                                                                   ` [PATCH 15/15] sysfs: user namespaces: fix bug with clone(CLONE_NEWUSER) with fairsched Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04  7:50                                                               ` [PATCH 12/15] driver core: Implement tagged directory support for device classes Tejun Heo
2008-07-04 13:31                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-04 13:57                                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-04 16:12                                                                     ` Greg KH
2008-07-04 21:49                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-14  1:54                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-16  3:25                                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-16  5:41                                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-16  5:50                                                                             ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-16  6:32                                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-16  6:48                                                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-16  7:02                                                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-16 19:07                                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-16 21:09                                                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-17 23:08                                                                           ` Greg KH
2008-07-18 12:41                                                                             ` Tejun Heo
2008-07-18 18:49                                                                               ` Greg KH
2008-07-18 20:19                                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-19  1:07                                                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-03  6:59                                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-09-11 12:45                                                                                   ` Jiri Slaby
2008-09-11 13:05                                                                                     ` Benjamin Thery
2008-09-12  6:32                                                                                       ` Jiri Slaby
2008-07-04 22:00                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-20  2:17                                                         ` [PATCH 09/15] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support Greg KH
2008-08-20  6:58                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21  6:31                                                           ` [PATCH 0/8] sysfs namespace support Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21  6:33                                                             ` [PATCH 1/8] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21  6:34                                                               ` [PATCH 2/8] sysfs: Merge sysfs_rename_dir and sysfs_move_dir Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21  6:35                                                                 ` [PATCH 3/8] sysfs: Implement sysfs_delete_link and sysfs_rename_link Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21  6:36                                                                   ` [PATCH 5/8] sysfs: Remove sysfs_create_link_nowarn Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21  6:38                                                                     ` [PATCH 6/8] Revert "netns: Fix device renaming for sysfs" Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21  6:39                                                                       ` [PATCH 7/8] netns: Enable tagging for net_class directories in sysfs Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21  6:40                                                                         ` [PATCH 8/8] sysfs: user namespaces: fix bug with clone(CLONE_NEWUSER) with fairsched Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-21  6:47                                                                         ` [PATCH 7/8] netns: Enable tagging for net_class directories in sysfs David Miller
2008-08-21  6:47                                                                       ` [PATCH 6/8] Revert "netns: Fix device renaming for sysfs" David Miller
2008-08-21  6:37                                                                   ` [PATCH 4/8] driver core: Implement tagged directory support for device classes Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-27 15:18                                                               ` [PATCH 1/8] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support Benjamin Thery
2008-09-02 13:54                                                                 ` Mark Ryden
2008-09-02 14:03                                                                   ` Benjamin Thery
2008-09-02 17:01                                                                     ` Greg KH
2008-09-04  5:33                                                                       ` David Shwatrz
2008-09-04  6:44                                                                         ` Benjamin Thery
2008-09-08 18:39                                                                           ` Mark Ryden
2008-10-07 16:39                                                                           ` Mark Ryden
2008-10-07 16:48                                                                             ` Greg KH
2008-10-07 20:31                                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-07 21:09                                                                                 ` Greg KH
2008-10-07 22:27                                                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-08 13:00                                                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-10-14  3:20                                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-10-07 16:52                                                                             ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-08-21  6:37                                                             ` [PATCH 0/8] sysfs namespace support David Miller
2008-07-04  6:44                                                       ` [PATCH 08/15] sysfs: Make sysfs_mount static once again Tejun Heo
2008-07-04  6:44                                                     ` [PATCH 07/15] sysfs: sysfs_chmod_file handle multiple superblocks Tejun Heo
2008-07-04  6:40                                                   ` [PATCH 06/15] Introduce sysfs_sd_setattr and fix sysfs_chmod Tejun Heo
2008-07-04  6:33                                         ` [PATCH 01/15] kobject: Cleanup kobject_rename and !CONFIG_SYSFS Tejun Heo
2008-07-04  1:27                                       ` [PATCH 00/15] sysfs support for namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-06  4:42                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-07-07 11:41                                         ` Cornelia Huck
2008-07-07 12:22                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-06-18 17:08 ` [PATCH 07/11] sysfs: Implement sysfs_delete_link and sysfs_rename_link Benjamin Thery
2008-06-23  2:13   ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-26 20:24     ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-06-29  3:35       ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-30  3:02         ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-06-18 17:08 ` [PATCH 08/11] driver core: Implement tagged directory support for device classes Benjamin Thery
2008-06-18 17:08 ` [PATCH 09/11] sysfs: add sysfs_ns_exit routine Benjamin Thery
2008-06-18 20:19   ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-06-23  2:16   ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-18 17:09 ` [PATCH 10/11] netns: Enable tagging for net_class directories in sysfs Benjamin Thery
2008-06-23  2:18   ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-18 17:09 ` [PATCH 11/11] sysfs: user namespaces: fix bug with clone(CLONE_NEWUSER) with fairsched Benjamin Thery
2008-06-23  2:18   ` Tejun Heo
2008-06-25 18:44     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-06-25 21:11       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-06-26 13:07         ` Serge E. Hallyn
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-06-06 15:46 [PATCH 00/11] sysfs tagged directories V5 Benjamin Thery
2008-06-06 15:47 ` [PATCH 06/11] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support Benjamin Thery
2008-05-06 17:30 [RESEND][PATCH 00/11] sysfs tagged directories Benjamin Thery
2008-05-06 17:31 ` [PATCH 06/11] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support Benjamin Thery

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