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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Hubertus Franke <frankeh@watson.ibm.com>,
	Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: RFC [patch 13/34] PID Virtualization Define new task_pid api
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:28:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1hd7qgjn0.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060126202314.GC20473@MAIL.13thfloor.at> (Herbert Poetzl's message of "Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:23:15 +0100")

Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at> writes:

> anyway, if that would be the aim, it could be done
> much simpler by 'just' adding a v/upid field to the
> task struct and use that for everything userspace
> related (i.e. locating tasks, sending signals, etc)
> no need to change the current *pid entries at all

Yes and no.  Changing the current pid entries as opposed
to adding the kpid/upid separation is a slightly different
problem.  

In particular there are 4 uses we need to change.  
 - Printing the pid in debug messages.
 - Comparing pids (because we need to add a context comparison)
 - Sending signals/localing tasks.
 - Entering a code path that wants to do one of the above.

Printing the pid in debug messages seems to be confined to
performing the action with reference to a task_struct, and
is a completeness issue not a correctness issue.

Sending signals and locating tasks by pid is fairly
straight forward to change the interface of all affected
functions.  And thus forcing an audit of all callers,
recursively also works well.

Comparing pids is where I think things get sticky but arguably
that case is rare enough we may be able to catch all of the users
with a code audit.

The only change I would really advocate at the moment beyond
adding the kpid fields to the task struct is to rename
(pid, tgid, pgrp, session) to (upid, utgid, upgrp, usession)
so we catch and break the users.  This would catch flush into
the open all of the users that are doing weird things like comparing
pids and would leave any rare untested and unspotted case broken where
it will not compile.

Arguably that it is overkill to break all of the users to catch the
stragglers that we can't easily spot with a code review.  Likely I be
satisfied with not breaking the code until I found a straggler that
affects correctness that made it through a kernel code review. 

So far I have yet to see a version of the code that does not miss
important stragglers.  Which is why to be correct I suspect we need
to break all users.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-27  8:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-17 14:32 RFC [patch 00/34] PID Virtualization Overview Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:32 ` RFC [patch 01/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: drivers Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 02/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: most archs Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 03/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: filesystems Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 04/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: include/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 05/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: ipc Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 06/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: kernel/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 07/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: lib/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 08/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: mm/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 09/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: net/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 10/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: security/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 11/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: sound/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 12/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: ia64 and mips Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 13/34] PID Virtualization Define new task_pid api Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 15:32   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-17 15:56     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-01-17 16:02       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-17 16:03       ` Alan Cox
2006-01-17 17:16         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-17 17:25         ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-18  4:54           ` Greg KH
2006-01-18  4:55           ` Greg KH
2006-01-18 16:23             ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-20 17:00               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-20 20:18                 ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-21 10:25                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-23 18:38                     ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-23 18:48                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-21 14:42                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-22  6:43                     ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-22 15:48                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-22 15:55                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-22 16:24                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-26 20:01                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-01-27  9:04                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-27 12:27                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-27 13:15                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-23 18:50                     ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-23 19:28                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-23 21:11                         ` Alan Cox
2006-01-23 21:30                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-23 22:15                             ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-24  6:56                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-24 19:34                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-24 21:09                                 ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-24  0:22                             ` Alan Cox
2006-01-24 19:26                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-24 21:11                                 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-24 21:15                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-25  9:58                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-25 15:10                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-01-25 18:01                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-25 19:30                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-01-25 21:59                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-25  9:13                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-25  9:51                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-26 20:23                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-01-27  8:28                                       ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
     [not found]                       ` <m1k6cqlmfe.fsf_-_@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2006-01-23 21:57                         ` RFC: [PATCH] pids as weak references Dave Hansen
2006-01-31 21:02                   ` RFC [patch 13/34] PID Virtualization Define new task_pid api Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  0:01                     ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-01  4:18                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-01  4:39                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  7:14                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-01 16:41                         ` Dave Hansen
2006-02-02  5:14                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-01 16:29                       ` Greg
2006-02-01 16:44                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 13:50                           ` Greg
2006-02-02 14:09                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 14:48                     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-02 15:13                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 15:26                         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-02 15:51                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 16:05                             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-02 16:27                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 21:32                                 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-02-02 21:43                                   ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-02 21:46                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-03 10:07                                     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-03 10:52                                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-03 11:09                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-03 15:45                                   ` Dave Hansen
2006-02-03 16:35                                     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-02 21:10                             ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-02-02 21:24                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 20:15                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-06 20:34                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 20:36                           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-06 20:40                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 14:49           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 14/34] PID Virtualization const parameter for process group Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 15/34] PID Virtualization task virtual pid access functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 16/34] PID Virtualization return virtual pids where required Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 17/34] PID Virtualization return virtual process group ids Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 18/34] PID Virtualization code enhancements for virtual pids in /proc Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 19/34] PID Virtualization Define pid_to_vpid functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 20/34] PID Virtualization Use pid_to_vpid conversion functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 21/34] PID Virtualization file owner pid virtualization Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 22/34] PID Virtualization define vpid_to_pid functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 23/34] PID Virtualization Use " Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 24/34] PID Virtualization use vpgid_to_pgid function Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 25/34] PID Virtualization Context for pid_to_vpid conversition functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 26/34] PID Virtualization Documentation Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 27/34] PID Virtualization pidspace Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 28/34] PID Virtualization container object and functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 29/34] PID Virtualization container attach/detach calls Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 30/34] PID Virtualization /proc/container filesystem Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 31/34] PID Virtualization Implementation of low level virtualization functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 32/34] PID Virtualization Handle special case vpid return cases Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 33/34] PID Virtualization per container /proc filesystem Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 34/34] PID Virtualization pidspace parent : signal behavior Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 16:19 ` RFC [patch 00/34] PID Virtualization Overview Suleiman Souhlal
2006-01-17 17:08   ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-17 18:09     ` Suleiman Souhlal
2006-01-17 18:12       ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-17 18:29         ` Alan Cox
2006-01-18 19:01           ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-18 19:28             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-18 19:38               ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-18 19:50                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-18 22:54                 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-19  7:15                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-20  5:11                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-20 20:23                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-01-20 20:33                         ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-21 10:34                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-20 19:53                   ` RFC: Multiple instances of kernel namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-20 20:13                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-01-20 20:22                       ` Hubertus Franke
     [not found]                         ` <20060120203555.GC13265@sergelap.austin.ibm.com>
2006-01-20 21:47                           ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-21 10:04                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-26 19:47                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-01-26 20:13                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-26 20:27                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-01-21 10:31             ` RFC [patch 00/34] PID Virtualization Overview Pavel Machek

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