From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263167AbVFXKct (ORCPT ); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:32:49 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263153AbVFXKct (ORCPT ); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:32:49 -0400 Received: from [80.71.243.242] ([80.71.243.242]:38534 "EHLO tau.rusteko.ru") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263167AbVFXKbH (ORCPT ); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:31:07 -0400 To: Hans Reiser Cc: David Masover , "Artem B. Bityuckiy" , Markus =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20=22T=16rnqvist=22?= , Christophe Saout , Andrew Morton , hch@infradead.org, jgarzik@pobox.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, reiserfs-list@namesys.com Subject: Re: reiser4 plugins References: <200506221733.j5MHXEoH007541@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> <42B9DD48.6060601@slaphack.com> <17081.58619.671650.812286@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <42BAC668.2030604@slaphack.com> <17083.14428.546772.353003@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <42BBAA0F.2020404@namesys.com> From: Nikita Danilov Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:31:07 +0400 In-Reply-To: <42BBAA0F.2020404@namesys.com> (Hans Reiser's message of "Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:37:03 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hans Reiser writes: > Nikita, I respectfully disagree with what you say about the state of our > atomicity code. It is not so far away as you describe, and probably 6 > man weeks work could polish it off. You don't see the value in what I > define as useful, namely atomicity without isolation. Since you don't > see that, it is harder for you to see that something is close to working > and just needs 6 weeks of someone who groks what I am asking for. No, I see the value of "atomicity", and think it is very useful. What I don't see the value of is the making of premature claims. _When_ reiser4 has atomic write(2), you have full right to call it atomic, not before. _When_ reiser4 is tested through objective benchmark-set exercising various workloads, you can refer to these benchmarks as the proof of reiser4 technical superiority, not before. On a more personal note, I invested large amount of my time and effort into developing reiser4, and I feel attached to it and to the great ideas embodied in it. For reiser4 to rot on the forgotten shelf in obscurity is the thing I want least. I want it to be included into mainline kernel, but for this to happen, you have to take more realistic stance towards err... reality. > > Hans Nikita.