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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Michael Kerrisk <mtk-manpages@gmx.net>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, janak@us.ibm.com,
	viro@ftp.linux.org.uk, hch@lst.de, ak@muc.de, paulus@samba.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] unshare: Cleanup up the sys_unshare interface before we are committed.
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:04:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1y7z93vmu.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603162140190.3618@g5.osdl.org> (Linus Torvalds's message of "Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:42:53 -0800 (PST)")

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> writes:

> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006, Michael Kerrisk wrote:
>> 
>> >  - it's all the same issues that clone() has
>> 
>> At the moment, but possibly not in the future (if one day
>> usnhare() needs a flag that has no analogue in clone()).
>
> I don't believe that.
>
> If we have something we might want to unshare, that implies by definition 
> that it was something we wanted to conditionally share in the first place.
>
> IOW, it ends up being something that would be a clone() flag.
>
> So I really do believe that there is a fundamental 1:1 between the flags. 
> They aren't just "similar". They are very fundamentally about the same 
> thing, and giving two different names to the same thing is CONFUSING.

The scary thing is that with only 7 things we can share or not,
and a 32bit field we have only 7 bits left that we can define.
Last count I think I know of at least that many additional global
namespaces in the kernel.



On the confusing side.  Unshare largely because it doesn't default to
unsharing all of the thread state.  Has the weird issue that unshare
will automatically add bits you didn't ask for (so it can satisfy your
request) and unsharing more than you requested.  Clone when presented
with the same situation returns an error.

So even while the resources are the same the interaction of the
bits really is quite different between the two calls.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-17 16:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1359.1142546753@www064.gmx.net>
2006-03-16 23:34 ` [PATCH] unshare: Cleanup up the sys_unshare interface before we are committed Michael Kerrisk
2006-03-16 23:57   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-17  1:11     ` Michael Kerrisk
2006-03-17  5:42       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-17 16:04         ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2006-03-17 16:49           ` Janak Desai
2006-03-17 20:27         ` Michael Kerrisk
2006-03-18 18:41         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-18 19:54           ` Janak Desai
2006-03-19 13:58             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-18 23:41           ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-20  4:45 Albert Cahalan
2006-03-20 16:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-03-16 16:49 Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-16 19:40 ` Michael Kerrisk
2006-03-16 20:33 ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-16 20:41   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-16 21:58     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-16 22:19       ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-16 21:36   ` Janak Desai

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