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From: Jan Rychter <jan@rychter.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Announce: ndiswrapper
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 15:13:27 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2ekvyel0o.fsf@tnuctip.rychter.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20031120031137.GA8465@bougret.hpl.hp.com

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>>>>> "Jean" == Jean Tourrilhes <jt@bougret.hpl.hp.com> writes:
 Jean> Jeff Garzik wrote :
 >> Pontus Fuchs wrote:
 > Please! I don't want to start a flamewar if this is a good thing to
 > do.  I'm just trying to scratch my own itch and I doubt that this
 > project changes the way Broadcom treats Linux users.
 >>
 >> Then help us reverse engineer the driver :)
 >>
 >> Jeff

 Jean> Even better :
 Jean> 1) go to the Wireless LAN Howto
 Jean> 2) find a card are supported under Linux that suit your needs
 Jean> 3) buy this card
 Jean> I don't see the point of giving our money to vendors that don't
 Jean> care about us when there are vendors making a real effort toward
 Jean> us.  Regards,

Unfortunately, this means you can't buy a "Centrino"-based
laptop. Actually, that pretty much means you can't get any recent
laptop.

I'd like on this occasion to remind everyone that Intel left Linux out
in the cold in spite of loud announcements of upcoming Linux support for
the "Centrino" marketing thing (see for example
http://news.com.com/2100-1006-993896.html or
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-993896.html or
http://www.intel.com/support/notebook/centrino/sb/cs-006059-prd955.htm).

There is of course the "Intel Support of Centrino Under Linux" petition
(http://www.petitiononline.com/xanthan/petition.html), which seems to
have done some good as the aforementioned Intel page has been updated to
say the drivers are "under development".

Still, even if they are "under development", this means some other
operating systems have had an unfair over one-year advantage over
Linux. That's a *big, long* advantage.

I'm a bit surprised that nobody has sued Intel yet for unfair market
practices, as providing documentation on chipset workings to select
vendors certainly constitutes one. But I guess that's politics, nobody
wants to mess with the big guys, it's better to play along and get early
access to server architectures.

I find it rather sad that Michael Robertson has so far been the only one
to speak up: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/29840.html. Why is
RedHat (for example) sitting quietly? Whining about lack of success of
Linux on the desktop seems to be a silly thing to do if Linux doesn't
even WORK properly on the desktop machine.

The reason I wrote this posting is because I think reverse-engineering
the drivers forever is not a long-term solution. Vendors should start
feeling the pressure.

--J.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-11-24  8:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-20  3:11 Announce: ndiswrapper Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20  3:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20  3:34   ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 12:05     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-11-21 17:25       ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 17:30         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-21 17:43           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-11-21 17:48           ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 17:50         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-11-20  4:00   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20  4:16     ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20  4:35       ` Neil Brown
2003-11-20  4:49         ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20  4:57           ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-11-20  5:05             ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20  6:50               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-11-20  5:27           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20  5:36             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20  5:36             ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20  4:38       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20  4:59         ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20  5:12           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20  5:27             ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-24 15:40               ` Rik van Riel
2003-11-20 12:41           ` Diego Calleja García
2003-11-20 13:04             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-11-20 20:24             ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2003-11-20  5:11         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-20  9:56         ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-20 13:15           ` Ralph Metzler
2003-11-20  6:52       ` Matt Mackall
2003-11-20  7:40         ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20 10:13         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-11-20 10:17           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 22:47             ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 22:59               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 23:26                 ` Oliver Hunt
2003-11-20 23:32                 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 13:19         ` Gene Heskett
2003-11-20 23:15         ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20  5:25     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20  5:26       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20  6:54         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-11-20 17:27           ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 23:57             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-11-21  0:03               ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 16:47       ` Jason Lunz
2003-11-20 17:36         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20 17:24     ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 17:48       ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-20 18:03       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 23:01       ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-21  5:48         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-21  7:26           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-21  7:37             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-21  7:47             ` Nuno Silva
2003-11-21  7:51               ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-20 10:55 ` Pavel Machek
2003-11-20 17:22   ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 23:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 23:45   ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 17:08     ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-23 23:13 ` Jan Rychter [this message]
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     [not found] ` <TPHV.1vf.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <TQXu.420.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-11-21  2:53     ` Andrew Miklas
2003-11-21 10:33       ` Maciej Zenczykowski
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-11-20 23:53 Mudama, Eric
2003-11-21  0:00 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21  1:01   ` Bob McElrath
2003-11-24 17:42     ` Pavel Machek
2003-11-21  7:58   ` Jan De Luyck
2003-11-21  8:59   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-11-18 11:02 Pontus Fuchs
2003-11-18 12:51 ` Christian Axelsson
2003-11-18 13:26   ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-18 13:37     ` Christian Axelsson
2003-11-18 13:49     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-18 14:02       ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-11-18 13:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-18 14:14   ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-18 14:49     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-11-18 15:31       ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-18 14:19   ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-18 14:31   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-18 22:22 ` Pavel Machek

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