From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262888AbUKYBSI (ORCPT ); Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:18:08 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262896AbUKYBQ4 (ORCPT ); Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:16:56 -0500 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:20375 "EHLO main.gmane.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262888AbUKYBNe (ORCPT ); Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:13:34 -0500 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org From: Jan Rychter Subject: Re: Suspend 2 merge: 24/51: Keyboard and serial console hooks. Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:22:27 -0800 Message-ID: References: <1101292194.5805.180.camel@desktop.cunninghams> <1101296414.5805.286.camel@desktop.cunninghams> <20041124132949.GB13145@infradead.org> <20041124230232.GA22509@infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66-27-68-14.san.rr.com X-Spammers-Please: blackholeme@rychter.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.5 (chestnut, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:o5EbPJxKSqeS4WR34ZQFN7iZ+tw= Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org >>>>> "Christoph" == Christoph Hellwig writes: Christoph> On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 01:57:58PM -0800, Jan Rychter wrote: >> Obviously you have never actually tried to use software suspend in >> real life. >> >> I would kindly suggest that you try to use it on your laptop for at >> least several weeks in various circumstances. These features are a >> result of years of user experience. Christoph> I tend to buy laptops that just suspend when closing the Christoph> lid, and no, I never had the strange desired to immediately Christoph> reverse my choice. Neither do I want to stop the shutdown Christoph> that I just initiated. Christoph> But for those people who do shutdown has a nice option to Christoph> delay the actual shutdown/reboot - I'm pretty sure the same Christoph> can be done for swsusp without sprinkling hooks all over the Christoph> kernel. Please accept that there are people who requested these features and there are people who find them useful. I really hope you understand that delaying a suspend is very different from allowing the user to interrupt it. Also, many people suspend Linux only to reboot into Windows. In this case, the ability to tell the machine to reboot instead of powering down is very useful. Obviously, a perfect user would plan ahead and suspend "appropriately", depending on what he wants to do afterwards. Unfortunately, I have found that I'm not a perfect user and that I really tend to use and like these features. As for me, I would much rather have a useful kernel that a beautiful kernel, because I rather tend to use it than watch it, but I can understand that other people may have different priorities. I would suggest we find a compromise. --J.