From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262414AbUK3XBo (ORCPT ); Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:01:44 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262394AbUK3W7j (ORCPT ); Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:59:39 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:3482 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262409AbUK3W56 (ORCPT ); Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:57:58 -0500 To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Paul Mackerras , Greg KH , David Woodhouse , Matthew Wilcox , David Howells , hch@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, libc-hacker@sources.redhat.com Subject: Re: [RFC] Splitting kernel headers and deprecating __KERNEL__ References: <19865.1101395592@redhat.com> <20041125165433.GA2849@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk> <1101406661.8191.9390.camel@hades.cambridge.redhat.com> <20041127032403.GB10536@kroah.com> <16810.24893.747522.656073@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com> From: Alexandre Oliva Organization: Red Hat Global Engineering Services Compiler Team Date: 30 Nov 2004 20:57:32 -0200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Nov 30, 2004, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> Then maybe this is the fundamental problem. As long as the kernel >> doesn't recognize that an ABI is a contract, rather than an >> imposition, kernel developers won't care. > That's a silly analogy. Worse, it's a very flawed analogy. > If you want to use a legal analogy, the ABI is not a contract, it's a > public _license_. I didn't mean to use a legal analogy. I meant contract in the software engineering sense. Sorry if that wasn't clear. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org}