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From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>
To: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] "big hammer" for DAX msync/fsync correctness
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:24:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <x49lhamljhe.fsf@segfault.boston.devel.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1446070176-14568-1-git-send-email-ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com> (Ross Zwisler's message of "Wed, 28 Oct 2015 16:09:34 -0600")

Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com> writes:

> This series implements the very slow but correct handling for
> blkdev_issue_flush() with DAX mappings, as discussed here:
>
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/10/26/116
>
> I don't think that we can actually do the
>
>     on_each_cpu(sync_cache, ...);
>
> ...where sync_cache is something like:
>
>     cache_disable();
>     wbinvd();
>     pcommit();
>     cache_enable();
>
> solution as proposed by Dan because WBINVD + PCOMMIT doesn't guarantee that
> your writes actually make it durably onto the DIMMs.  I believe you really do
> need to loop through the cache lines, flush them with CLWB, then fence and
> PCOMMIT.

*blink*
*blink*

So much for not violating the principal of least surprise.  I suppose
you've asked the hardware folks, and they've sent you down this path?

> I do worry that the cost of blindly flushing the entire PMEM namespace on each
> fsync or msync will be prohibitively expensive, and that we'll by very
> incentivized to move to the radix tree based dirty page tracking as soon as
> possible. :)

Sure, but wbinvd would be quite costly as well.  Either way I think a
better solution will be required in the near term.

Cheers,
Jeff

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-10-28 22:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-28 22:09 [PATCH 0/2] "big hammer" for DAX msync/fsync correctness Ross Zwisler
2015-10-28 22:09 ` [PATCH 1/2] pmem: add wb_cache_pmem() to the PMEM API Ross Zwisler
2015-10-28 22:09 ` [PATCH 2/2] pmem: Add simple and slow fsync/msync support Ross Zwisler
2015-10-28 23:02   ` Dan Williams
2015-10-28 22:24 ` Jeff Moyer [this message]
2015-10-28 22:49   ` [PATCH 0/2] "big hammer" for DAX msync/fsync correctness Dan Williams
2015-10-28 22:51   ` Ross Zwisler
2015-11-05 23:59     ` Dan Williams
2015-11-06  8:06       ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-11-06 16:04         ` Dan Williams
2015-11-06 17:35           ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-11-06 23:17             ` Dan Williams
2015-11-07  0:51               ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-11-07  6:50                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-11-07  8:12                   ` Dan Williams
2015-11-07  8:38                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-11-07  9:02                       ` Dan Williams
2015-11-07  9:24                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-11-06 20:25       ` H. Peter Anvin

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