archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Jan Kiszka <>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <>,
	Norbert Lange <>
Cc: lttng-dev <>,
	paulmck <>, Xenomai <>
Subject: Re: Using lttng-ust with xenomai
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:52:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4aab99be-5451-4582-f75d-7637614b1d37__46275.6931012095$1574437992$gmane$> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <>

On 22.11.19 16:42, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> ----- On Nov 22, 2019, at 4:14 AM, Norbert Lange wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I already started a thread over at [1], but I guess its
>> more efficient to ask here aswell.
>> The basic concept is that xenomai thread run *below* Linux (threads
>> and irg handlers), which means that xenomai threads must not use any
> I guess you mean "irq handlers" here.
>> linux services like the futex syscall or socket communication.
>> ## tracepoints
>> expecting that tracepoints are the only thing that should be used from
>> the xenomai threads, is there anything using linux services.
>> the "bulletproof" urcu apparently does not need anything for the
>> reader lock (aslong as the thread is already registered),
> Indeed the first time the urcu-bp read-lock is encountered by a thread,
> the thread registration is performed, which requires locks, memory allocation,
> and so on. After that, the thread can use urcu-bp read-side lock without
> requiring any system call.

So, we will probably want to perform such a registration unconditionally 
(in case lttng usage is enabled) for our RT threads during their setup.

>> but I dont know how the write-buffers are prepared.
> LTTng-UST prepares the ring buffers from lttng-ust's "listener" thread,
> which is injected into the process by a lttng-ust constructor.
> What you will care about is how the tracepoint call-site (within a Xenomai
> thread) interacts with the ring buffers.
> The "default" setup for lttng-ust ring buffers is not suitable for Xenomai
> threads. The lttng-ust ring buffer is split into sub-buffers, each sub-buffer
> corresponding to a CTF trace "packet". When a sub-buffer is filled, lttng-ust
> invokes "write(2)" to a pipe to let the consumer daemon know there is data
> available in that ring buffer. You will want to get rid of that write(2) system
> call from a Xenomai thread.
> The proper configuration is to use lttng-enable-channel(1) "--read-timer"
> option (see This will
> ensure that the consumer daemon uses a polling approach to check periodically
> whether data needs to be consumed within each buffer, thus removing the
> use of the write(2) system call on the application-side.
>> You can call linux sycalls from xenomai threads (it will switch to the
>> linux shadow thread for that and lose realtime characteristics), so a
>> one time setup/shutdown like registering the threads is not an issue.
> OK, good, so you can actually do the initial setup when launching the thread.
> You need to remember to invoke use a liburcu-bp read-side lock/unlock pair,
> or call urcu_bp_read_ongoing() at thread startup within that initialization
> phase to ensure urcu-bp registration has been performed.
>> ## membarrier syscall
>> I haven't got an explanation yet, but I believe this syscall does
>> nothing to xenomai threads (each has a shadow linux thread, that is
>> *idle* when the xenomai thread is active).
> That's indeed a good point. I suspect membarrier may not send any IPI
> to Xenomai threads (that would have to be confirmed). I suspect the
> latency introduced by this IPI would be unwanted.

Is an "IPI" a POSIX signal here? Or are real IPI that delivers an 
interrupt to Linux on another CPU? The latter would still be possible, 
but it would be delayed until all Xenomai threads on that core eventual 
took a break (which should happen a couple of times per second under 
normal conditions - 100% RT load is an illegal application state).

>> liburcu has configure options allow forcing the usage of this syscall
>> but not disabling it, which likely is necessary for Xenomai.
> I suspect what you'd need there is a way to allow a process to tell
> liburcu-bp (or liburcu) to always use the fall-back mechanism which does
> not rely on sys_membarrier. This could be allowed before the first use of
> the library. I think extending the liburcu APIs to allow this should be
> straightforward enough. This approach would be more flexible than requiring
> liburcu to be specialized at configure time. This new API would return an error
> if invoked with a liburcu library compiled with --disable-sys-membarrier-fallback.
> If you have control over your entire system's kernel, you may want to try
> just configuring the kernel within CONFIG_MEMBARRIER=n in the meantime.
> Another thing to make sure is to have a glibc and Linux kernel which perform
> clock_gettime() as vDSO for the monotonic clock, because you don't want a
> system call there. If that does not work for you, you can alternatively
> implement your own lttng-ust and lttng-modules clock plugin .so/.ko to override
> the clock used by lttng, and for instance use TSC directly. See for instance
> the lttng-ust(3) LTTNG_UST_CLOCK_PLUGIN environment variable.

clock_gettime & Co for a Xenomai application is syscall-free as well.


Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT RDA IOT SES-DE
Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-11-22 15:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <>
2019-11-22 15:42 ` Using lttng-ust with xenomai Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found] ` <>
2019-11-22 15:52   ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
     [not found]   ` <>
2019-11-22 17:01     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]     ` <>
2019-11-22 17:36       ` Jan Kiszka
2019-11-22 17:44     ` Norbert Lange
     [not found]     ` <>
2019-11-22 17:52       ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]       ` <>
2019-11-22 18:01         ` Norbert Lange
     [not found]         ` <>
2019-11-22 18:07           ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]           ` <>
2019-11-22 21:38             ` Norbert Lange
2019-11-22 19:00       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]       ` <>
2019-11-22 19:57         ` Norbert Lange
     [not found]         ` <>
2019-11-22 20:15           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]           ` <>
2019-11-22 21:27             ` [lttng-dev] " Norbert Lange via Xenomai
2019-11-22 17:55   ` Norbert Lange
     [not found]   ` <>
2019-11-22 19:03     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]     ` <>
2019-11-22 20:04       ` Norbert Lange
2019-11-22  9:14 Norbert Lange

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to='4aab99be-5451-4582-f75d-7637614b1d37__46275.6931012095$1574437992$gmane$' \ \ \ \ \ \ \

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).