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From: Jan Kiszka via lttng-dev <lttng-dev@lists.lttng.org>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Norbert Lange <nolange79@gmail.com>
Cc: MONTET Julien <julien.montet@reseau.eseo.fr>,
	lttng-dev <lttng-dev@lists.lttng.org>,
	Xenomai <xenomai@xenomai.org>
Subject: Re: [lttng-dev] LTTng - Xenomai : different results between timestamp-lttng and rt_time_read()
Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 17:34:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d82e8eb6-9cb4-3873-5952-648d73d8f0ac@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <186729016.52398.1621523346736.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com>

On 20.05.21 17:09, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> ----- On May 20, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Mathieu Desnoyers mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com wrote:
> 
>> ----- On May 20, 2021, at 9:54 AM, lttng-dev lttng-dev@lists.lttng.org wrote:
>>
>>> ----- On May 20, 2021, at 5:11 AM, lttng-dev lttng-dev@lists.lttng.org wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am Do., 20. Mai 2021 um 10:28 Uhr schrieb MONTET Julien
>>>> <julien.montet@reseau.eseo.fr>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Norbert,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your answer !
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I am using a Xenomai cobalt - xenomai is 3.1
>>>>> cat /proc/xenomai/version => 3.1
>>>>>
>>>>> After the installation, I tested "test tools" in /proc/xenomai/ and it worked
>>>>> nice.
>>>>
>>>> Just asked to make sure, thought the scripts usual add some -xeno tag
>>>> to the kernel version.
>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by "it might deadlock really good" ?
>>>>
>>>> clock_gettime will either use a syscall (kills realtime always) or is
>>>> optimized via VDSO (which very likely is your case).
>>>>
>>>> What happens is that the kernel will take a spinlock, then write new
>>>> values, then releases the spinlock.
>>>> your program will aswell spin (but just to see if the spinlock is
>>>> free), read the values and interpolates them.
>>>>
>>>> But if your program interrupts the kernel while the kernel holds the
>>>> lock (all on the same cpu core), then it will spin forever and the
>>>> kernel will never execute.
>>>
>>> Just one clarification: the specific locking strategy used by the
>>> Linux kernel monotonic clock vDSO is a "seqlock", where the kernel
>>> sets a bit which keeps concurrent readers looping until they observe
>>
>> When I say "sets a bit", I actually mean "increment a sequence counter",
>> and readers observe either odd or even state, thus knowing whether
>> they need to retry, and whether the value read before/after reading
>> the data structure changed.
> 
> Looking again at the Linux kernel's kernel/time/vsyscall.c implementation
> of vdso_update_{begin,end}, I notice that interrupts are disabled across
> the entire update. So I understand that the Interrupt pipeline (I-pipe)
> interrupt gets delivered even when the kernel disables interrupts. Did
> you consider modifying the I-pipe kernel patch to change the vdso update so
> it updates the vdso from within an I-pipe virq handler ?
> 
> AFAIU this would allow Xenomai userspace to use the Linux kernel vDSO
> clock sources.

In fact, this is what happens with upcoming Xenomai 3.2, based on the
Dovetail kernel patch (replacement of I-pipe). Implies kernel 5.10.

For I-pipe, we have the CLOCK_HOST_REALTIME infrastructure to obtain the
kernel's view on CLOCK_REALTIME from within an Xenomai task. That is
available up to kernel 5.4.

HTH,
Jan

-- 
Siemens AG, T RDA IOT
Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-20 15:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-20  7:58 MONTET Julien via lttng-dev
2021-05-20  8:20 ` Norbert Lange via lttng-dev
2021-05-20  8:28   ` MONTET Julien via lttng-dev
2021-05-20  9:11     ` Norbert Lange via lttng-dev
2021-05-20 13:54       ` Mathieu Desnoyers via lttng-dev
2021-05-20 13:56         ` Mathieu Desnoyers via lttng-dev
2021-05-20 15:09           ` Mathieu Desnoyers via lttng-dev
2021-05-20 15:34             ` Jan Kiszka via lttng-dev [this message]
2021-05-20 15:39             ` Norbert Lange via lttng-dev
2021-05-21 10:13               ` MONTET Julien via lttng-dev
2021-05-25  8:46                 ` Norbert Lange via lttng-dev

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