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From: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
To: Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	william.manley@youview.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: IGMP Unsolicited Report Interval too long for IGMPv3?
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:06:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130726150651.GD3890@order.stressinduktion.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130726131123.GC1281@kvack.org>

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 09:11:23AM -0400, Benjamin LaHaise wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 04:42:53PM -0700, David Miller wrote:
> > From: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
> > Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 23:51:08 +0200
> > 
> > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 05:18:55PM -0400, Benjamin LaHaise wrote:
> > >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:43:57PM +0100, William Manley wrote:
> > >> > If an IGMP join packet is lost you will not receive data sent to the 
> > >> > multicast group so if no data arrives from that multicast group in a 
> > >> > period of time after the IGMP join a second IGMP join will be sent.  The 
> > >> > delay between joins is the "IGMP Unsolicited Report Interval".
> > >> > 
> > >> > In the kernel this seems to be hard coded to be chosen randomly between 
> > >> > 0-10s.  In our use-case (IPTV) this is too long as it can cause channel 
> > >> > change to be slow in the presence of packet loss.
> > >> > 
> > >> > I would guess that this 10s has come from IGMPv2 RFC2236, which was 
> > >> > reduced to 1s in IGMPv3 RFC3376.
> > >> 
> > >> Reducing the timeout does not solve the problem you are encountering, as 
> > >> any packet loss will still result in a 1 second delay.  I've encountered 
> > >> similar issues dealing with LCP Echo request/replies for keepalive 
> > >> messages on PPP sessions.  The correct approach is to queue the IGMP 
> > >> multicast join with a higher priority than other traffic in the system 
> > >> so that the requests are not lost due to congestion of a single queue.  
> > >> Sending packets with an 802.1p header might be appropriate in your 
> > >> use-case, or perhaps using higher priority internal queues.
> > > 
> > > Yes, we can do a little bit better. What do you think?
> > > 
> > > [PATCH net-next] ipv6: send igmpv3/mld packets with TC_PRIO_CONTROL
> > > 
> > > Reported-by: William Manley <william.manley@youview.com>
> > > Suggested-by: Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>
> > > Signed-off-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
> > 
> > Ben, please give Hannes the feedback he is asking for.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> 
> I think Hannes' patch is good step in the right direction, so please add:
> Acked-by: Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>

I just send a new patch with the priority changes for ipv4 included. I copied
your Acked-by, I hope this is ok.

Thanks,

  Hannes

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-26 15:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-22 20:43 IGMP Unsolicited Report Interval too long for IGMPv3? William Manley
2013-07-22 21:09 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-24 13:38   ` [PATCH] net: igmp: Reduce Unsolicited report interval to 1s when using IGMPv3 William Manley
2013-07-24 13:45     ` William Manley
2013-07-24 14:51     ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-07-25 12:14   ` [PATCH 1/2] " William Manley
2013-07-25 12:14     ` [PATCH 2/2] net: igmp: Allow user-space configuration of igmp unsolicited report interval William Manley
2013-07-26 16:36       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-07-29 14:21         ` [PATCH v3 1/2] net: igmp: Reduce Unsolicited report interval to 1s when using IGMPv3 William Manley
2013-07-29 14:21           ` [PATCH v3 2/2] net: igmp: Allow user-space configuration of igmp unsolicited report interval William Manley
2013-07-30  6:14             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-07-30 23:55               ` David Miller
2013-07-31  6:34                 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-07-31  9:47                   ` William Manley
2013-08-06 18:03                   ` IGMP Unsolicited report interval patches William Manley
2013-08-06 18:03                     ` [PATCH v4 1/3] net: igmp: Reduce Unsolicited report interval to 1s when using IGMPv3 William Manley
2013-08-07  0:45                       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-08-07 13:43                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2013-08-06 18:03                     ` [PATCH v4 2/3] net: igmp: Don't flush routing cache when force_igmp_version is modified William Manley
2013-08-07  0:45                       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-08-07 13:43                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2013-08-06 18:03                     ` [PATCH v4 3/3] net: igmp: Allow user-space configuration of igmp unsolicited report interval William Manley
2013-08-07  1:00                       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-08-07 13:43                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2013-08-07  1:03                     ` IGMP Unsolicited report interval patches Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-08-08  9:01                       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-08-09 18:28                     ` David Miller
2013-07-31  5:07             ` [PATCH v3 2/2] net: igmp: Allow user-space configuration of igmp unsolicited report interval Bill Fink
2013-07-29 21:34           ` [PATCH v3 1/2] net: igmp: Reduce Unsolicited report interval to 1s when using IGMPv3 Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-07-26 16:32     ` [PATCH " Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-07-26 16:39       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-07-29 14:39         ` William Manley
2013-07-29 14:56           ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-07-22 21:18 ` IGMP Unsolicited Report Interval too long for IGMPv3? Benjamin LaHaise
2013-07-22 21:51   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2013-07-25 23:42     ` David Miller
2013-07-26 13:11       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2013-07-26 15:06         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa [this message]
2013-07-26 15:15           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2013-07-22 22:06   ` Lukas Tribus
2013-07-22 22:30     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa

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