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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 3/6] kthread: warn on kill signal if not OOM
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 23:06:34 +0200
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On Mon 2014-09-22 13:23:54, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> On Monday, September 22, 2014 09:49:06 PM Pavel Machek wrote:
> > On Thu 2014-09-11 13:23:54, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:59:25PM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:

> > > > Yes, but we mostly do this anyway.  SCSI for instance does asynchronous
> > > > scanning of attached devices (once the cards are probed)
> > > 
> > > What would it do it card was a bit slow to probe?
> > > 
> > > > but has a sync
> > > > point for ordering.
> > > 
> > > Quite often we do not really care about ordering of devices. I mean,
> > > does it matter if your mouse is discovered before your keyboard or
> > > after?
> > 
> > Actually yes, I suspect it does.
> > 
> > I do evtest /dev/input/eventX by hand, occassionaly. It would be
> > annoying if they moved between reboots.
> 
> I am sorry but you will have to cope with such annoyances. It' snot like we 
> fail to boot the box here.
> 
> The systems are now mostly hot-pluggable and userland is supposed to
> handle it, and it does, at least for input devices. If you want stable naming
> use udev facilities to rename devices as needed or add needed symlinks (by-id, 
> etc.).

Well, it would be nice if udev was not mandatory. Do the sync points
for ordering actually cost us something?
									Pavel
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