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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Alan Burlison <Alan.Burlison@oracle.com>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	Casper.Dik@oracle.com, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	stephen@networkplumber.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	dholland-tech@netbsd.org
Subject: Re: [Bug 106241] New: shutdown(3)/close(3) behaviour is incorrect for sockets in accept(3)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:56:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151022185610.GU22011@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56291F56.2080906@oracle.com>

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 06:39:34PM +0100, Alan Burlison wrote:
> On 22/10/2015 18:05, Al Viro wrote:
> 
> >Oh, for...  Right in this thread an example of complete BS has been quoted
> >from POSIX close(2).  The part about closing a file when the last descriptor
> >gets closed.  _Nothing_ is POSIX-compliant in that respect (nor should
> >it be).
> 
> That's not exactly what it says, we've already discussed, for
> example in the case of pending async IO on a filehandle.

Sigh...  It completely fails to mention descriptor-passing.  Which
	a) is relevant to what "last close" means and
	b) had been there for nearly the third of a century.

> I agree that part could do with some polishing.

google("wire brush of enlightenment") is what comes to mind...

> >and (b) says fsck-all about the effects of closing descriptor.  The latter
> >is a problem, since nothing in close(2) bothers making a distinction between
> >the effects specific to particular syscall and those common to all ways of
> >closing a descriptor.  And no, it's not a nitpicking - consider e.g. the
> >parts concerning the order of events triggered by close(2) (such and such
> >should be completed before close(2) returns); should it be taken as "same
> >events should be completed before newfd is associated with the file description
> >refered to by oldfd"?  It _is_ user-visible, since close(2) removes fcntl
> >locks.  Sure, there is (otherwise unexplained)
> >	The dup2() function is not intended for use in critical regions
> >	as a synchronization mechanism.
> >down in informative sections, so one can infer that event order here isn't
> >to be relied upon.  With no way to guess whether the event order concerning
> >e.g. effect on ongoing accept(newfd) is any different in that respect.
> 
> I think "it shall be closed first" makes it pretty clear that what
> is expected is the same behaviour as any direct invocation of close,
> and that has to happen before the reassignment. What makes you
> believe that's isn't the case?

So unless I'm misparsing something, you want
thread A: accept(newfd)
thread B: dup2(oldfd, newfd)
have accept() bugger off before the switchover happens?

What should happen if thread C does accept(newfd) right as B has decided that
there's nothing more to wait?  For close(newfd) it would be simple - we are
going to have lookup by descriptor fail with EBADF anyway, so making it do
so as soon as we go hunting for those who are currently in accept(newfd)
would do the trick - no new threads like that shall appear and as long as
the descriptor is not declared free for taking by descriptor allocation nobody
is going to be screwed by open() picking that slot of descriptor table too
early.  Trying to do that for dup2() would lose atomicity.  I honestly don't
know how Solaris behaves in that case, BTW - the race (if any) would probably
be hard to hit, so in case of Linux I would have to go and RTFS before saying
that there isn't one.  I can't do that in with Solaris; all I can do here
is ask you guys...

Moreover, see above for record locks removal.  Should that happen prior to
switchover?  If you have

dup(fd, fd2);
set a record lock on fd2
spawn a thread
in child, try to grab the same lock on fd2
in parent, do some work and close(fd)

you are guaranteed that child won't see fd refering to the same file after it
acquires the lock.
Replace close(fd) with dup(fd3, fd); should the same hold true in that case?

FWIW, Linux behaviour in that area is to have record locks removal done
between the switchover and return to userland in case of dup2() and between
the removal from descriptor table and return to userland in case of close().

> Personally I believe the spec is clear enough to allow an
> unambiguous interpretation of the required behavior in this area. If
> you think there are areas where the Solaris behaviour is in
> disagreement with the spec then I'd be interested to hear them.

The spec is so vague that I strongly suspect that *both* Solaris and Linux
behaviours are not in disagreement with it (modulo shutdown(2) extension
Linux-side and we are really stuck with that one).

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-22 18:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-19 16:59 Fw: [Bug 106241] New: shutdown(3)/close(3) behaviour is incorrect for sockets in accept(3) Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-19 23:33 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-20  1:12   ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-20  1:45     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-20  9:59       ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-20 11:24         ` David Miller
2015-10-20 11:39           ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-20 13:19         ` Fw: " Eric Dumazet
2015-10-20 13:45           ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-20 15:30             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-20 18:31               ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-20 18:42                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-21 10:25                 ` David Laight
2015-10-21 10:49                   ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-21 11:28                     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-21 13:03                       ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-21 13:29                         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-21  3:49       ` Al Viro
2015-10-21 14:38         ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-21 15:30           ` David Miller
2015-10-21 16:04             ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-21 21:18               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-21 21:28                 ` Al Viro
2015-10-21 16:32           ` Fw: " Eric Dumazet
2015-10-21 18:51           ` Al Viro
2015-10-21 20:33             ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-22  4:21               ` Al Viro
2015-10-22 10:55                 ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22 18:16                   ` Al Viro
2015-10-22 20:15                     ` Alan Burlison
2015-11-02 10:03               ` David Laight
2015-11-02 10:29                 ` Al Viro
2015-10-21 22:28             ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22  1:29             ` David Miller
2015-10-22  4:17               ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22  4:44                 ` Al Viro
2015-10-22  6:03                   ` Al Viro
2015-10-22  6:34                     ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-22 17:21                       ` Al Viro
2015-10-22 18:24                         ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-22 19:07                           ` Al Viro
2015-10-22 19:51                             ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-22 21:57                               ` Al Viro
2015-10-23  9:52                                 ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-23 13:02                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-23 13:20                                     ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-23 13:48                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-23 14:13                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-23 13:35                                     ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-23 14:21                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-23 15:46                                         ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-23 16:00                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-23 16:07                                             ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-23 16:19                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-23 16:40                                               ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-23 17:47                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-23 17:59                                                   ` [PATCH net-next] af_unix: do not report POLLOUT on listeners Eric Dumazet
2015-10-25 13:45                                                     ` David Miller
2015-10-24  2:30                                   ` [Bug 106241] New: shutdown(3)/close(3) behaviour is incorrect for sockets in accept(3) Al Viro
2015-10-27  9:08                                     ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-27 10:52                                       ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-27 12:01                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-27 12:27                                           ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-27 12:44                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-27 13:42                                         ` David Miller
2015-10-27 13:37                                           ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-27 13:59                                             ` David Miller
2015-10-27 14:13                                               ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-27 14:39                                                 ` David Miller
2015-10-27 14:39                                                   ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-27 15:04                                                     ` David Miller
2015-10-27 15:53                                                       ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-27 23:17                                         ` Al Viro
2015-10-28  0:13                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-28 12:35                                             ` Al Viro
2015-10-28 13:24                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-28 14:47                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-28 21:13                                                   ` Al Viro
2015-10-28 21:44                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-28 22:33                                                       ` Al Viro
2015-10-28 23:08                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-29  0:15                                                           ` Al Viro
2015-10-29  3:29                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-29  4:16                                                               ` Al Viro
2015-10-29 12:35                                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-29 13:48                                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-30 17:18                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-30 21:02                                                                     ` Al Viro
2015-10-30 21:23                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-30 21:50                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-30 22:33                                                                           ` Al Viro
2015-10-30 23:52                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-31  0:09                                                                               ` Al Viro
2015-10-31 15:59                                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-31 19:34                                                                               ` Al Viro
2015-10-31 19:54                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-31 20:29                                                                                   ` Al Viro
2015-11-02  0:24                                                                                     ` Al Viro
2015-11-02  0:59                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-02  2:14                                                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-02  6:22                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2015-10-31 20:45                                                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-31 21:23                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-31 21:51                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2015-10-31 22:34                                                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-31  1:07                                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-28 16:04                                           ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-29 14:58                                         ` David Holland
2015-10-29 15:18                                           ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-29 16:01                                             ` David Holland
2015-10-29 16:15                                               ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-29 17:07                                                 ` Al Viro
2015-10-29 17:12                                                   ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-30  1:54                                                     ` David Miller
2015-10-30  1:55                                                   ` David Miller
2015-10-30  5:44                                                 ` David Holland
2015-10-30 17:43                                           ` David Laight
2015-10-30 21:09                                             ` Al Viro
2015-11-04 15:54                                               ` David Laight
2015-11-04 16:27                                                 ` Al Viro
2015-11-06 15:07                                                   ` David Laight
2015-11-06 19:31                                                     ` Al Viro
2015-10-22  6:51                   ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-22 11:18                     ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22 11:15                   ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22  6:15                 ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-22 11:30                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-22 11:58                     ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22 12:10                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-22 13:12                         ` David Miller
2015-10-22 13:14                         ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22 17:05                           ` Al Viro
2015-10-22 17:39                             ` Alan Burlison
2015-10-22 18:56                               ` Al Viro [this message]
2015-10-22 19:50                                 ` Casper.Dik
2015-10-23 17:09                                   ` Al Viro
2015-10-23 18:30           ` Fw: " David Holland
2015-10-23 19:51             ` Al Viro

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