From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Willy Tarreau Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Enhanced IP v1.4 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 14:41:28 +0200 Message-ID: <20180605124128.GA15100@1wt.eu> References: <20180602055717.GB17899@1wt.eu> <330e58f3-61d3-6abc-4f7c-1726e0ce852d@enhancedip.org> <20180604043426.GB11775@1wt.eu> <87y3ft9zwg.fsf@miraculix.mork.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Eric Dumazet , Tom Herbert , Sam Patton , Linux Kernel Network Developers To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Mork Return-path: Received: from wtarreau.pck.nerim.net ([62.212.114.60]:59242 "EHLO 1wt.eu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751696AbeFEMlf (ORCPT ); Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:41:35 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87y3ft9zwg.fsf@miraculix.mork.no> Sender: netdev-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 02:33:03PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote: > > I do have IPv6 at home (a /48, waste of addressing space, I'd be fine > > with less), > > Any reason you would want less? Any reason the ISP should give you > less? What I mean is that *if* the availability of /48 networks was an issue for some ISPs, I'd be fine with less because I don't plan to deploy 64k networks at home, though I already have ~9 around the firewall and don't expect to go much further. > > Maybe setting up a public list of ISPs where users don't have at least > > a /60 by default could help, but I suspect that most of them will > > consider that as long as their competitors are on the list there's no > > emergency. > > Exactly. And the number of users using the list as the primary > parameter for selecting an ISP would be close to 0. The critical part > is not the list, but making large enough groups of users consider IPv6 > an important parameter when selecting ISPs. In fact the IoT trend could play a role here by letting users know that they can remotely access their fridge and whatever stupid device they've deployed. But the reality is the opposite : some gateway services are/will be offered at a paid price to make these devices remotely accessible, and the claimed security provided by this gateway will be presented as a real benefit compared to the risks of anyone directly accessing your private life over IPv6. So I'm not getting much hopes for the future in this area either. Willy