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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Sabrina Dubroca <sd@queasysnail.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH iproute2 net-next v2 3/4] ss: Buffer raw fields first, then render them as a table
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 08:51:01 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190213085101.7474ba5d@shemminger-XPS-13-9360> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190213093711.13ab560e@redhat.com>

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 09:37:11 +0100
Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:42:04 -0800
> Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I do not get it.
> > 
> > "ss -emoi " uses almost 1KB per socket.
> > 
> > 10,000,000 sockets -> we need about 10GB of memory  ???
> > 
> > This is a serious regression.  
> 
> I guess this is rather subjective: the worst case I considered back then
> was the output of 'ss -tei0' (less than 500 bytes) for one million
> sockets, which gives 500M of memory, which should in turn be fine on a
> machine handling one million sockets.
> 
> Now, if 'ss -emoi' on 10 million sockets is an actual use case (out of
> curiosity: how are you going to process that output? Would JSON help?),
> I see two easy options to solve this:
> 
> 1. flush the output every time we reach a given buffer size (1M
>    perhaps). This might make the resulting blocks slightly unaligned,
>    with occasional loss of readability on lines occurring every 1k to
>    10k sockets approximately, even though after 1k sockets column sizes
>    won't change much (it looks anyway better than the original), and I
>    don't expect anybody to actually scroll that output
> 
> 2. add a switch for unbuffered output, but then you need to remember to
>    pass it manually, and the whole output would be as bad as the
>    original in case you need the switch.
> 
> I'd rather go with 1., it's easy to implement (we already have partial
> flushing with '--events') and it looks like a good compromise on
> usability. Thoughts?
> 

I agree with eric. The benefits of buffering are not worth it.
Let's just choose a reasonable field width, if something is too big, columns won't line up
which i snot a big deal.

Unless you come up with a better solution, I am going to revert this.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-13 16:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-12  0:46 [PATCH iproute2 net-next v2 0/4] Abstract columns, properly space and wrap fields Stefano Brivio
2017-12-12  0:46 ` [PATCH iproute2 net-next v2 1/4] ss: Replace printf() calls for "main" output by calls to helper Stefano Brivio
2017-12-12  0:46 ` [PATCH iproute2 net-next v2 2/4] ss: Introduce columns lightweight abstraction Stefano Brivio
2017-12-12  0:46 ` [PATCH iproute2 net-next v2 3/4] ss: Buffer raw fields first, then render them as a table Stefano Brivio
2019-02-13  0:42   ` Eric Dumazet
2019-02-13  8:37     ` Stefano Brivio
2019-02-13 16:51       ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2019-02-13 17:22         ` Stefano Brivio
2019-02-13 17:32           ` Eric Dumazet
2019-02-13 17:31       ` Eric Dumazet
2019-02-13 17:38         ` Stefano Brivio
2019-02-13 18:01           ` Eric Dumazet
2019-02-13 21:17         ` Stefano Brivio
2019-02-13 21:55           ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-02-13 22:20             ` Stefano Brivio
2019-02-13 23:39             ` Phil Sutter
2019-02-13 23:47               ` David Ahern
2017-12-12  0:46 ` [PATCH iproute2 net-next v2 4/4] ss: Implement automatic column width calculation Stefano Brivio
2017-12-12 20:13 ` [PATCH iproute2 net-next v2 0/4] Abstract columns, properly space and wrap fields Stephen Hemminger

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