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From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>
To: "Machulsky, Zorik" <zorik@amazon.com>
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Subject: XDP multi-buffer incl. jumbo-frames (Was: [RFC V1 net-next 1/1] net: ena: implement XDP drop support)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 10:38:29 +0200
Message-ID: <20190626103829.5360ef2d@carbon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <A658E65E-93D2-4F10-823D-CC25B081C1B7@amazon.com>

On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 03:19:22 +0000
"Machulsky, Zorik" <zorik@amazon.com> wrote:

> On 6/23/19, 7:21 AM, "Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <brouer@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>     On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 10:06:49 +0300 <sameehj@amazon.com> wrote:
>     
>     > This commit implements the basic functionality of drop/pass logic in the
>     > ena driver.  
>     
>     Usually we require a driver to implement all the XDP return codes,
>     before we accept it.  But as Daniel and I discussed with Zorik during
>     NetConf[1], we are going to make an exception and accept the driver
>     if you also implement XDP_TX.
>     
>     As we trust that Zorik/Amazon will follow and implement XDP_REDIRECT
>     later, given he/you wants AF_XDP support which requires XDP_REDIRECT.
> 
> Jesper, thanks for your comments and very helpful discussion during
> NetConf! That's the plan, as we agreed. From our side I would like to
> reiterate again the importance of multi-buffer support by xdp frame.
> We would really prefer not to see our MTU shrinking because of xdp
> support.   

Okay we really need to make a serious attempt to find a way to support
multi-buffer packets with XDP. With the important criteria of not
hurting performance of the single-buffer per packet design.

I've created a design document[2], that I will update based on our
discussions: [2] https://github.com/xdp-project/xdp-project/blob/master/areas/core/xdp-multi-buffer01-design.org

The use-case that really convinced me was Eric's packet header-split.


Lets refresh: Why XDP don't have multi-buffer support:

XDP is designed for maximum performance, which is why certain driver-level
use-cases were not supported, like multi-buffer packets (like jumbo-frames).
As it e.g. complicated the driver RX-loop and memory model handling.

The single buffer per packet design, is also tied into eBPF Direct-Access
(DA) to packet data, which can only be allowed if the packet memory is in
contiguous memory.  This DA feature is essential for XDP performance.


One way forward is to define that XDP only get access to the first
packet buffer, and it cannot see subsequent buffers.  For XDP_TX and
XDP_REDIRECT to work then XDP still need to carry pointers (plus
len+offset) to the other buffers, which is 16 bytes per extra buffer.

 
>     [1] http://vger.kernel.org/netconf2019.html
-- 
Best regards,
  Jesper Dangaard Brouer
  MSc.CS, Principal Kernel Engineer at Red Hat
  LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/brouer

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Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-23  7:06 [RFC V1 net-next 0/1] Introduce xdp to ena sameehj
2019-06-23  7:06 ` [RFC V1 net-next 1/1] net: ena: implement XDP drop support sameehj
2019-06-23 14:09   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2019-06-23 14:21   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2019-06-25  3:19     ` Machulsky, Zorik
2019-06-26  8:38       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer [this message]
2019-06-26 11:52         ` XDP multi-buffer incl. jumbo-frames (Was: [RFC V1 net-next 1/1] net: ena: implement XDP drop support) Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-06-26 14:40           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2019-06-26 15:01             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-06-26 15:20               ` Willem de Bruijn
2019-06-26 16:42                 ` Jonathan Lemon
2019-06-26 20:00                   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2019-06-27 22:07                     ` Jonathan Lemon
2019-06-28  8:46                 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2019-06-26 15:14             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-06-26 16:36               ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2019-06-28  7:14         ` Eelco Chaudron
2019-06-28  7:46           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-06-28 11:49             ` Eelco Chaudron
2019-06-28  8:22           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2019-06-23 14:28   ` [RFC V1 net-next 1/1] net: ena: implement XDP drop support David Ahern
2019-06-23 14:51   ` Maciej Fijalkowski

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