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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: vincent.prince.fr@gmail.com
Cc: mkl@pengutronix.de, dave.taht@gmail.com, jhs@mojatatu.com,
	jiri@resnulli.us, kernel@pengutronix.de,
	linux-can@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] net: sch_generic: Use pfifo_fast as fallback scheduler for CAN hardware
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 19:20:45 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191025.192045.1462505833001638832.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1571838260-19186-1-git-send-email-vincent.prince.fr@gmail.com>

From: Vincent Prince <vincent.prince.fr@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:44:20 +0200

> There is networking hardware that isn't based on Ethernet for layers 1 and 2.
> 
> For example CAN.
> 
> CAN is a multi-master serial bus standard for connecting Electronic Control
> Units [ECUs] also known as nodes. A frame on the CAN bus carries up to 8 bytes
> of payload. Frame corruption is detected by a CRC. However frame loss due to
> corruption is possible, but a quite unusual phenomenon.
> 
> While fq_codel works great for TCP/IP, it doesn't for CAN. There are a lot of
> legacy protocols on top of CAN, which are not build with flow control or high
> CAN frame drop rates in mind.
> 
> When using fq_codel, as soon as the queue reaches a certain delay based length,
> skbs from the head of the queue are silently dropped. Silently meaning that the
> user space using a send() or similar syscall doesn't get an error. However
> TCP's flow control algorithm will detect dropped packages and adjust the
> bandwidth accordingly.
> 
> When using fq_codel and sending raw frames over CAN, which is the common use
> case, the user space thinks the package has been sent without problems, because
> send() returned without an error. pfifo_fast will drop skbs, if the queue
> length exceeds the maximum. But with this scheduler the skbs at the tail are
> dropped, an error (-ENOBUFS) is propagated to user space. So that the user
> space can slow down the package generation.
> 
> On distributions, where fq_codel is made default via CONFIG_DEFAULT_NET_SCH
> during compile time, or set default during runtime with sysctl
> net.core.default_qdisc (see [1]), we get a bad user experience. In my test case
> with pfifo_fast, I can transfer thousands of million CAN frames without a frame
> drop. On the other hand with fq_codel there is more then one lost CAN frame per
> thousand frames.
> 
> As pointed out fq_codel is not suited for CAN hardware, so this patch changes
> attach_one_default_qdisc() to use pfifo_fast for "ARPHRD_CAN" network devices.
> 
> During transition of a netdev from down to up state the default queuing
> discipline is attached by attach_default_qdiscs() with the help of
> attach_one_default_qdisc(). This patch modifies attach_one_default_qdisc() to
> attach the pfifo_fast (pfifo_fast_ops) if the network device type is
> "ARPHRD_CAN".
> 
> [1] https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/9194
> 
> Suggested-by: Marc Kleine-Budde <mkl@pengutronix.de>
> Signed-off-by: Marc Kleine-Budde <mkl@pengutronix.de>
> Signed-off-by: Vincent Prince <vincent.prince.fr@gmail.com>
> Acked-by: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>

Applied to net-next.

      reply	other threads:[~2019-10-26  2:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-27 16:56 [RFC] net: sch_generic: fq_codel vs pfifo_fast Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-03-27 16:56 ` [PATCH 1/2] net: sch_generic: add flag IFF_FIFO_QUEUE to use pfifo_fast as default scheduler Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-03-27 17:14   ` Cong Wang
2019-03-27 20:11     ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-03-27 20:53       ` Cong Wang
2019-04-02 17:22       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-03-27 18:53   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-03-27 19:27     ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-03-27 16:56 ` [PATCH 2/2] can: dev: let all CAN devices " Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-03-27 18:30 ` [RFC] net: sch_generic: fq_codel vs pfifo_fast Stephen Hemminger
2019-03-27 19:24   ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-10-22 12:47 ` [PATCH] net: sch_generic: Use pfifo_fast as fallback scheduler for CAN hardware Vincent Prince
2019-10-22 12:58   ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-10-22 13:23 ` [PATCH v2] " Vincent Prince
2019-10-22 14:53   ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-10-22 14:55     ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-10-22 16:42     ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-10-22 16:48       ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-10-22 17:28       ` Eric Dumazet
2019-10-22 18:21         ` Oliver Hartkopp
2019-10-22 15:09 ` [PATCH v3] " Vincent Prince
2019-10-23 10:52 ` [PATCH v4] " Vincent Prince
2019-10-23 11:13   ` Dave Taht
2019-10-23 13:44 ` [PATCH v5] " Vincent Prince
2019-10-26  2:20   ` David Miller [this message]

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