From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC] current devlink extension plan for NICs
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 12:36:23 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200330123623.634739de@kicinski-fedora-pc1c0hjn.dhcp.thefacebook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <35e8353f-2bfc-5685-a60e-030cd2d2dd24@mellanox.com>
On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 07:48:39 +0000 Parav Pandit wrote:
> On 3/27/2020 10:08 PM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 08:47:36 +0100 Jiri Pirko wrote:
> >>> So the queues, interrupts, and other resources are also part
> >>> of the slice then?
> >>
> >> Yep, that seems to make sense.
> >>
> >>> How do slice parameters like rate apply to NVMe?
> >>
> >> Not really.
> >>
> >>> Are ports always ethernet? and slices also cover endpoints with
> >>> transport stack offloaded to the NIC?
> >>
> >> devlink_port now can be either "ethernet" or "infiniband". Perhaps,
> >> there can be port type "nve" which would contain only some of the
> >> config options and would not have a representor "netdev/ibdev" linked.
> >> I don't know.
> >
> > I honestly find it hard to understand what that slice abstraction is,
> > and which things belong to slices and which to PCI ports (or why we even
> > have them).
> >
> In an alternative, devlink port can be overloaded/retrofit to do all
> things that slice desires to do.
I wouldn't say retrofitted, in my mind port has always been a port of
a device.
Jiri explained to me that to Mellanox port is port of a eswitch, not
port of a device. While to me (/Netronome) it was any way to send or
receive data to/from the device.
Now I understand why to you nvme doesn't fit the port abstraction.
> For that matter representor netdev can be overloaded/extended to do what
> slice desire to do (instead of devlink port).
Right, in my mental model representor _is_ a port of the eswitch, so
repr would not make sense to me.
> Can you please explain why you think devlink port should be overloaded
> instead of netdev or any other kernel object?
> Do you have an example of such overloaded functionality of a kernel object?
> Like why macvlan and vlan drivers are not combined to in single driver
> object? Why teaming and bonding driver are combined in single driver
> object?...
I think it's not overloading, but the fact that we started with
different definitions. We (me and you) tried adding the PCIe ports
around the same time, I guess we should have dug into the details
right away.
> User should be able to create, configure, deploy, delete a 'portion of
> the device' with/without eswitch.
Right, to me ports are of the device, not eswitch.
> We shouldn't be starting with restrictive/narrow view of devlink port.
>
> Internally with Jiri and others, we also explored the possibility to
> have 'mgmtvf', 'mgmtpf', 'mgmtsf' port flavours by overloading port to
> do all things as that of slice.
> It wasn't elegant enough. Why not create right object?
We just need clear definitions of what goes where. We already have
params etc. hanging off the ports, including irq/sriov stuff. But in
slice model those don't belong there :S
In fact very little belongs to the port in that model. So why have
PCI ports in the first place?
> Additionally devlink port object doesn't go through the same state
> machine as that what slice has to go through.
> So its weird that some devlink port has state machine and some doesn't.
You mean for VFs? I think you can add the states to the API.
> > With devices like NFP and Mellanox CX3 which have one PCI PF maybe it
> > would have made sense to have a slice that covers multiple ports, but
> > it seems the proposal is to have port to slice mapping be 1:1. And rate
> > in those devices should still be per port not per slice.
> >
> Slice can have multiple ports. slice object doesn't restrict it. User
> can always split the port for a device, if device support it.
Okay, so slices are not 1:1 with ports, then? Is it any:any?
> > But this keeps coming back, and since you guys are doing all the work,
> > if you really really need it..
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-03-30 19:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-03-19 19:27 [RFC] current devlink extension plan for NICs Jiri Pirko
2020-03-20 3:32 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-20 7:35 ` Jiri Pirko
2020-03-20 21:25 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-21 9:07 ` Parav Pandit
2020-03-23 19:31 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-23 22:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-03-24 3:41 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-24 13:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-03-24 5:36 ` Parav Pandit
2020-03-21 9:35 ` Jiri Pirko
2020-03-23 19:21 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-23 22:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-03-24 3:56 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-24 13:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-03-26 14:37 ` Jiri Pirko
2020-03-26 14:43 ` Jiri Pirko
2020-03-26 14:47 ` Jiri Pirko
2020-03-26 14:51 ` Jiri Pirko
2020-03-26 20:30 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-27 7:47 ` Jiri Pirko
2020-03-27 16:38 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-27 18:49 ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2020-03-27 19:10 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-27 19:45 ` Saeed Mahameed
2020-03-27 20:42 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-30 9:07 ` Parav Pandit
2020-04-08 6:10 ` Parav Pandit
2020-03-27 20:47 ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2020-03-27 20:59 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-30 7:09 ` Parav Pandit
2020-03-30 7:48 ` Parav Pandit
2020-03-30 19:36 ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2020-03-31 7:45 ` Parav Pandit
2020-03-31 17:32 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-04-01 7:32 ` Parav Pandit
2020-04-01 20:12 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-04-02 6:16 ` Jiri Pirko
2020-04-08 5:10 ` Parav Pandit
2020-04-08 5:07 ` Parav Pandit
2020-04-08 16:59 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-04-08 18:13 ` Parav Pandit
2020-04-09 2:07 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-04-09 6:43 ` Parav Pandit
2020-03-30 5:30 ` Parav Pandit
2020-03-26 14:59 ` Jiri Pirko
2020-03-23 23:32 ` Andy Gospodarek
2020-03-24 0:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-03-24 5:53 ` Parav Pandit
2020-03-23 21:32 ` Andy Gospodarek
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