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From: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Christoph Paasch <christoph.paasch@gmail.com>,
	Julian Anastasov <ja@ssi.bg>, Wayne Badger <badger@yahoo-inc.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Leif Hedstrom <lhedstrom@apple.com>
Subject: Re: TCP_DEFER_ACCEPT wakes up without data
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 12:00:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200607100049.GM28263@breakpoint.cc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b520b541-9013-3095-2e3b-37ec835e4ff8@gmail.com>

Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sure! TCP_DEFER_ACCEPT delays the creation of the socket until data
> > has been sent by the client *or* the specified time has expired upon
> > which a last SYN/ACK is sent and if the client replies with an ACK the
> > socket will be created and presented to the accept()-call. In the
> > latter case it means that the app gets a socket that does not have any
> > data to be read - which goes against the intention of TCP_DEFER_ACCEPT
> > (man-page says: "Allow a listener to be awakened only when data
> > arrives on the socket.").
> > 
> > In the original thread the proposal was to kill the connection with a
> > TCP-RST when the specified timeout expired (after the final SYN/ACK).
> > 
> > Thus, my question in my first email whether there is a specific reason
> > to not do this.
> > 
> > API-breakage does not seem to me to be a concern here. Apps that are
> > setting DEFER_ACCEPT probably would not expect to get a socket that
> > does not have data to read.
> 
> Thanks for the summary ;)
> 
> I disagree.
> 
> A server might have two modes :
> 
> 1) A fast path, expecting data from user in a small amount of time, from peers not too far away.
> 
> 2) A slow path, for clients far away. Server can implement strategies to control number of sockets
> that have been accepted() but not yet active (no data yet received).

So we can't change DEFER_ACCEPT behaviour.
Any objections to adding TCP_DEFER_ACCEPT2 with the behaviour outlined
by Christoph?

  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-07 10:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-05  0:14 TCP_DEFER_ACCEPT wakes up without data Wayne Badger
2014-06-07 15:41 ` Julian Anastasov
2014-06-11  0:57   ` Wayne Badger
2014-06-12  6:00     ` Julian Anastasov
     [not found]     ` <58a4abb51fe9411fbc7b1a58a2a6f5da@UCL-MBX03.OASIS.UCLOUVAIN.BE>
2020-06-04 23:18       ` Christoph Paasch
2020-06-05  1:27         ` Eric Dumazet
2020-06-05 14:57           ` Christoph Paasch
2020-06-05 16:48             ` Eric Dumazet
2020-06-07 10:00               ` Florian Westphal [this message]
2020-06-07 15:05                 ` Leif Hedstrom
2020-06-09 16:45                 ` Christoph Paasch
2020-06-05 19:47         ` Julian Anastasov

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