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From: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: George Spelvin <lkml@sdf.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, aksecurity@gmail.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, edumazet@google.com,
	Jason@zx2c4.com, luto@kernel.org, keescook@chromium.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org, tytso@mit.edu,
	lkml.mplumb@gmail.com, stephen@networkplumber.org, fw@strlen.de
Subject: Re: [DRAFT PATCH] random32: make prandom_u32() output unpredictable
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:03:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200810120302.GD19310@breakpoint.cc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200810114700.GB8474@1wt.eu>

Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 09, 2020 at 06:30:17PM +0000, George Spelvin wrote:
> > Even something simple like buffering 8 TSC samples, and adding them
> > at 32-bit offsets across the state every 8th call, would make a huge
> > difference.
> 
> Doing testing on real hardware showed that retrieving the TSC on every
> call had a non negligible cost, causing a loss of 2.5% on the accept()
> rate and 4% on packet rate when using iptables -m statistics. However
> I reused your idea of accumulating old TSCs to increase the uncertainty
> about their exact value, except that I retrieve it only on 1/8 calls
> and use the previous noise in this case. With this I observe the same
> performance as plain 5.8. Below are the connection rates accepted on
> a single core :
> 
>         5.8           5.8+patch     5.8+patch+tsc
>    192900-197900   188800->192200   194500-197500  (conn/s)
> 
> This was on a core i7-8700K. I looked at the asm code for the function
> and it remains reasonably light, in the same order of complexity as the
> original one, so I think we could go with that.
> 
> My proposed change is below, in case you have any improvements to suggest.

As this relates to networking, you could also hook perturbation into rx/tx
softirq processing.  E.g. once for each new napi poll round or only once
for each softnet invocation, depending on cost.

IIRC the proposed draft left a unused prandom_seed() stub around, you could
re-use that to place extra data to include in the hash in percpu data.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-08-10 12:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-08 15:26 Flaw in "random32: update the net random state on interrupt and activity" George Spelvin
2020-08-08 17:07 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-08-08 18:08   ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-08 18:13   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-08 19:03   ` George Spelvin
2020-08-08 19:49     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-08-08 21:29       ` George Spelvin
2020-08-08 17:44 ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-08 18:19   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-08 18:53     ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-08 20:47     ` George Spelvin
2020-08-08 20:52       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-08 22:27         ` George Spelvin
2020-08-09  2:07           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-11 16:01             ` Eric Dumazet
2020-08-08 19:18   ` Florian Westphal
2020-08-08 20:59     ` George Spelvin
2020-08-08 21:18     ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-08 20:08   ` George Spelvin
2020-08-08 20:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-09  6:57 ` [DRAFT PATCH] random32: make prandom_u32() output unpredictable George Spelvin
2020-08-09  9:38   ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-09 17:06     ` George Spelvin
2020-08-09 17:33       ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-09 18:30         ` George Spelvin
2020-08-09 19:16           ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-10 11:47           ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-10 12:01             ` David Laight
2020-08-10 14:48               ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-10 12:03             ` Florian Westphal [this message]
2020-08-10 14:53               ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-10 16:31             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-10 16:58               ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-10 17:45                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-10 18:01                   ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-10 21:04                   ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-11  5:26                     ` George Spelvin
2020-08-11  5:37                       ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-11  3:47             ` George Spelvin
2020-08-11  3:58               ` Willy Tarreau
     [not found]     ` <fdbc7d7d-cba2-ef94-9bde-b3ccae0cfaac@gmail.com>
2020-08-09 21:10       ` Marc Plumb
2020-08-09 21:48         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-09 13:50   ` Randy Dunlap
     [not found]   ` <CANEQ_++a4YcwQQ2XhuguTono9=RxbSRVsMw08zLWBWJ_wxG2AQ@mail.gmail.com>
2020-08-09 16:08     ` George Spelvin
     [not found] <CA+icZUVnsmf1kXPYFYufStQ_MxnLuxL+EWfDS2wQy1VbAEMwkA@mail.gmail.com>
2020-08-09 21:10 ` Sedat Dilek
     [not found] ` <20200809235412.GD25124@SDF.ORG>
     [not found]   ` <20200810034948.GB8262@1wt.eu>
     [not found]     ` <20200811053455.GH25124@SDF.ORG>
     [not found]       ` <20200811054328.GD9456@1wt.eu>
     [not found]         ` <20200811062814.GI25124@SDF.ORG>
     [not found]           ` <20200811074538.GA9523@1wt.eu>
2020-08-11 10:51             ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-11 11:01               ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-12  3:21               ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-13  7:53                 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-13  8:06                   ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-13  8:13                     ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-13  8:27                       ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-13 14:00                         ` Eric Dumazet
2020-08-13 16:02                           ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-14 15:32                     ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-14 16:05                       ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-14 16:17                         ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-16 15:01                           ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-16 16:48                             ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-20  3:05                               ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-20  4:33                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-20  4:42                                   ` Sedat Dilek
2020-08-20  6:08                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-20  6:58                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-20  8:05                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-20 12:08                                           ` Sedat Dilek
     [not found]                                           ` <CANEQ_+L+22Hkdqf38Zr0bfq16fcL1Ax2X9fToXV_niHKXCB8aA@mail.gmail.com>
2020-08-27  1:09                                             ` Willy Tarreau
2020-08-27  7:08                                               ` Sedat Dilek

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