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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>
Cc: "Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andriin@fb.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	"Martin KaFai Lau" <kafai@fb.com>,
	"Song Liu" <songliubraving@fb.com>, "Yonghong Song" <yhs@fb.com>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"KP Singh" <kpsingh@chromium.org>, "Daniel Xu" <dxu@dxuuu.xyz>,
	"Jesper Brouer" <jbrouer@redhat.com>,
	"Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>,
	"Viktor Malik" <vmalik@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC bpf-next 00/16] bpf: Speed up trampoline attach
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:35:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201022093510.37e8941f@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201022082138.2322434-1-jolsa@kernel.org>

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:21:22 +0200
Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org> wrote:

> hi,
> this patchset tries to speed up the attach time for trampolines
> and make bpftrace faster for wildcard use cases like:
> 
>   # bpftrace -ve "kfunc:__x64_sys_s* { printf("test\n"); }"
> 
> Profiles show mostly ftrace backend, because we add trampoline
> functions one by one and ftrace direct function registering is
> quite expensive. Thus main change in this patchset is to allow
> batch attach and use just single ftrace call to attach or detach
> multiple ips/trampolines.

The issue I have with this change is that the purpose of the direct
trampoline was to give bpf access to the parameters of a function as if it
was called directly. That is, it could see the parameters of a function
quickly. I even made the direct function work if it wanted to also trace
the return code.

What the direct calls is NOT, is a generic tracing function tracer. If that
is required, then bpftrace should be registering itself with ftrace.
If you are attaching to a set of functions, where it becomes obvious that
its not being used to access specific parameters, then that's an abuse of
the direct calls.

We already have one generic function tracer, we don't need another.

-- Steve

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-10-22 13:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-22  8:21 [RFC bpf-next 00/16] bpf: Speed up trampoline attach Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 01/16] ftrace: Add check_direct_entry function Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 02/16] ftrace: Add adjust_direct_size function Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 03/16] ftrace: Add get/put_direct_func function Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 04/16] ftrace: Add ftrace_set_filter_ips function Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 05/16] ftrace: Add register_ftrace_direct_ips function Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 06/16] ftrace: Add unregister_ftrace_direct_ips function Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 07/16] kallsyms: Use rb tree for kallsyms name search Jiri Olsa
2020-10-28 18:25   ` Jiri Olsa
2020-10-28 21:15     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-10-29  9:29       ` Jiri Olsa
2020-10-29 22:45         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-10-28 22:40     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-10-29  9:33       ` Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 08/16] bpf: Use delayed link free in bpf_link_put Jiri Olsa
2020-10-23 19:46   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-10-25 19:02     ` Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 09/16] bpf: Add BPF_TRAMPOLINE_BATCH_ATTACH support Jiri Olsa
2020-10-23 20:03   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-10-23 20:31     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-10-23 22:23       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-10-25 19:41         ` Jiri Olsa
2020-10-26 23:19           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 10/16] bpf: Add BPF_TRAMPOLINE_BATCH_DETACH support Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 11/16] bpf: Sync uapi bpf.h to tools Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 12/16] bpf: Move synchronize_rcu_mult for batch processing (NOT TO BE MERGED) Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 13/16] libbpf: Add trampoline batch attach support Jiri Olsa
2020-10-23 20:09   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-10-25 19:11     ` Jiri Olsa
2020-10-26 23:15       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-10-27 19:03         ` Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 14/16] libbpf: Add trampoline batch detach support Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 15/16] selftests/bpf: Add trampoline batch test Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22  8:21 ` [RFC bpf-next 16/16] selftests/bpf: Add attach batch test (NOT TO BE MERGED) Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22 13:35 ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2020-10-22 14:11   ` [RFC bpf-next 00/16] bpf: Speed up trampoline attach Jiri Olsa
2020-10-22 14:42     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-10-22 16:21       ` Steven Rostedt
2020-10-22 20:52         ` Steven Rostedt
2020-10-23  6:09           ` Jiri Olsa
2020-10-23 13:50             ` Steven Rostedt
2020-10-25 19:01               ` Jiri Olsa
2020-10-27  4:30       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-10-27 13:14         ` Steven Rostedt
2020-10-27 14:28         ` Jiri Olsa
2020-10-28 21:13           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-10-29 11:09             ` Jiri Olsa

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