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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH rfc 0/3] virtio-net: add tx-hash, rx-tstamp and tx-tstamp
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 16:38:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201228163809-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+FuTScXQ0U1+rFFpKxB1Qn73pG8jmFuujONov_9yEEKyyer_g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 02:51:09PM -0500, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 12:29 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:22:30AM -0500, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> > > From: Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>
> > >
> > > RFC for three new features to the virtio network device:
> > >
> > > 1. pass tx flow hash and state to host, for routing + telemetry
> > > 2. pass rx tstamp to guest, for better RTT estimation
> > > 3. pass tx tstamp to host, for accurate pacing
> > >
> > > All three would introduce an extension to the virtio spec.
> > > I assume this would require opening three ballots against v1.2 at
> > > https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ballots.php?wg_abbrev=virtio
> > >
> > > This RFC is to informally discuss the proposals first.
> > >
> > > The patchset is against v5.10. Evaluation additionally requires
> > > changes to qemu and at least one back-end. I implemented preliminary
> > > support in Linux vhost-net. Both patches available through github at
> > >
> > > https://github.com/wdebruij/linux/tree/virtio-net-txhash-1
> > > https://github.com/wdebruij/qemu/tree/virtio-net-txhash-1
> >
> > Any data on what the benefits are?
> 
> For the general method, yes. For this specific implementation, not  yet.
> 
> Swift congestion control is delay based. It won the best paper award
> at SIGCOMM this year. That paper has a lot of data:
> https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3387514.3406591 . Section 3.1 talks
> about the different components that contribute to delay and how to
> isolate them.

And for the hashing part?

> BBR and BBRv2 also have an explicit ProbeRTT phase as part of the design.
> 
> The specific additional benefits for VM-based TCP depends on many
> conditions, e.g., whether a vCPU is exclusively owned and pinned. But
> the same reasoning should be even more applicable to this even longer
> stack, especially in the worst case conditions.


  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-28 23:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-28 16:22 [PATCH rfc 0/3] virtio-net: add tx-hash, rx-tstamp and tx-tstamp Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 16:22 ` [PATCH rfc 1/3] virtio-net: support transmit hash report Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 16:28   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-28 16:47     ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 17:22       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-29  1:19         ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 21:36   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-29  1:23     ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 16:22 ` [PATCH rfc 2/3] virtio-net: support receive timestamp Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 17:28   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-28 19:30     ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 21:32       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-29  1:05         ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-29  9:17           ` Jason Wang
2020-12-29 14:20             ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-30  8:38               ` Jason Wang
2020-12-28 22:59   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-12-29  0:57     ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-30  8:44       ` Jason Wang
2020-12-30 12:30       ` Richard Cochran
2021-02-02 13:05   ` kernel test robot
2021-02-02 14:08   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-02 22:17     ` Willem de Bruijn
2021-02-02 23:02       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-02 23:43         ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 16:22 ` [PATCH rfc 3/3] virtio-net: support transmit timestamp Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-30 12:38   ` Richard Cochran
2020-12-30 15:25     ` Willem de Bruijn
2021-02-02 13:47   ` kernel test robot
2020-12-28 17:29 ` [PATCH rfc 0/3] virtio-net: add tx-hash, rx-tstamp and tx-tstamp Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-28 19:51   ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 21:38     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2020-12-29  1:14       ` Willem de Bruijn
2021-01-06 20:32         ` Willem de Bruijn

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