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From: Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: "Pali Rohár" <pali@kernel.org>
Cc: "Andrew Lunn" <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	"Heiner Kallweit" <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Marek Behún" <kabel@kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] net: sfp: add workaround for Realtek RTL8672 and RTL9601C chips
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 17:05:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201230170546.GU1551@shell.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201230165634.c4ty3mw6djezuyq6@pali>

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 05:56:34PM +0100, Pali Rohár wrote:
> This change is really required for those Realtek chips. I thought that
> it is obvious that from *both* addresses 0x50 and 0x51 can be read only
> one byte at the same time. Reading 2 bytes (for be16 value) cannot be
> really done by one i2 transfer, it must be done in two.

Then these modules are even more broken than first throught, and
quite simply it is pointless supporting the diagnostics on them
because we can never read the values in an atomic way.

It's also a violation of the SFF-8472 that _requires_ multi-byte reads
to read these 16 byte values atomically. Reading them with individual
byte reads results in a non-atomic read, and the 16-bit value can not
be trusted to be correct.

That is really not optional, no matter what any manufacturer says - if
they claim the SFP MSAs allows it, they're quite simply talking out of
a donkey's backside and you should dispose of the module in biohazard
packaging. :)

So no, I hadn't understood this from your emails, and as I say above,
if this is the case, then we quite simply disable diagnostics on these
modules since they are _highly_ noncompliant.

-- 
RMK's Patch system: https://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/
FTTP is here! 40Mbps down 10Mbps up. Decent connectivity at last!

  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-30 17:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-30 15:47 [PATCH 0/4] net: sfp: add support for GPON RTL8672/RTL9601C and Ubiquiti U-Fiber Pali Rohár
2020-12-30 15:47 ` [PATCH 1/4] net: sfp: add workaround for Realtek RTL8672 and RTL9601C chips Pali Rohár
2020-12-30 16:10   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-12-30 16:56     ` Pali Rohár
2020-12-30 17:05       ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin [this message]
2020-12-30 17:13         ` Andrew Lunn
2020-12-30 17:43           ` Pali Rohár
2020-12-30 19:09             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-12-30 19:49               ` Andrew Lunn
2020-12-31 12:14               ` Pali Rohár
2020-12-31 15:09                 ` Andrew Lunn
2020-12-31 15:40                   ` Pali Rohár
2020-12-31 15:30                 ` Andrew Lunn
2020-12-31 17:00                   ` Pali Rohár
2020-12-31 17:13                     ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-02  1:49                       ` Pali Rohár
2021-01-03  2:25                         ` Thomas Schreiber
2021-01-03  2:41                           ` Pali Rohár
2021-01-06 14:55                             ` Pali Rohár
2021-01-06 15:21                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2021-01-06 15:23                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2021-01-06 15:27                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2021-01-06 15:35                                     ` Pali Rohár
2020-12-30 19:30             ` Andrew Lunn
2020-12-30 19:39               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-12-30 17:31         ` Pali Rohár
2020-12-30 19:18           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-12-30 15:47 ` [PATCH 2/4] net: sfp: allow to use also SFP modules which are detected as SFF Pali Rohár
2020-12-30 16:11   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-12-30 17:06     ` Pali Rohár
2020-12-30 17:27       ` Marek Behún
2020-12-30 19:12         ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-12-31 13:52           ` Pali Rohár
2020-12-30 15:47 ` [PATCH 3/4] net: sfp: assume that LOS is not implemented if both LOS normal and inverted is set Pali Rohár
2020-12-30 16:13   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-12-30 16:57     ` Pali Rohár
2020-12-30 17:06       ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-12-30 17:17         ` Andrew Lunn
2020-12-30 17:32           ` Pali Rohár
2020-12-30 15:47 ` [PATCH 4/4] net: sfp: add mode quirk for GPON module Ubiquiti U-Fiber Instant Pali Rohár
2021-01-06 15:37 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] net: sfp: add support for GPON RTL8672/RTL9601C and Ubiquiti U-Fiber Pali Rohár
2021-01-06 15:37   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] net: sfp: add workaround for Realtek RTL8672 and RTL9601C chips Pali Rohár
2021-01-07  2:02     ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-07  9:08       ` Pali Rohár
2021-01-07 17:19     ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-07 17:40       ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2021-01-07 19:18         ` Pali Rohár
2021-01-07 19:17       ` Pali Rohár
2021-01-07 19:45       ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2021-01-07 20:21         ` Marek Behún
2021-01-08  0:49           ` Pali Rohár
2021-01-06 15:37   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] net: sfp: assume that LOS is not implemented if both LOS normal and inverted is set Pali Rohár
2021-01-07 16:54     ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-09 15:46       ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2021-01-09 15:54         ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-09 16:27           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2021-01-09 19:14         ` Pali Rohár
2021-01-09 23:19           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2021-01-09 23:50             ` Pali Rohár
2021-01-06 15:37   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] net: sfp: add mode quirk for GPON module Ubiquiti U-Fiber Instant Pali Rohár
2021-01-07 16:51     ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-11 11:39 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] net: sfp: add support for GPON RTL8672/RTL9601C and Ubiquiti U-Fiber Pali Rohár
2021-01-11 11:39   ` [PATCH v3 1/2] net: sfp: add workaround for Realtek RTL8672 and RTL9601C chips Pali Rohár
2021-01-11 15:28     ` Marek Behún
2021-01-11 11:39   ` [PATCH v3 2/2] net: sfp: add mode quirk for GPON module Ubiquiti U-Fiber Instant Pali Rohár
2021-01-11 15:32     ` Marek Behún
2021-01-12 13:33   ` [PATCH v3 0/2] net: sfp: add support for GPON RTL8672/RTL9601C and Ubiquiti U-Fiber Pali Rohár
2021-01-18  9:34   ` Pali Rohár
2021-01-25 14:09     ` Pali Rohár
2021-01-25 14:16       ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2021-01-25 14:23         ` Pali Rohár
2021-01-25 14:42           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2021-01-25 14:47             ` Pali Rohár
2021-01-25 15:41               ` Andrew Lunn
2021-01-25 15:02 ` [PATCH v4 " Pali Rohár
2021-01-25 15:02   ` [PATCH v4 1/2] net: sfp: add workaround for Realtek RTL8672 and RTL9601C chips Pali Rohár
2021-01-25 15:02   ` [PATCH v4 2/2] net: sfp: add mode quirk for GPON module Ubiquiti U-Fiber Instant Pali Rohár
2021-01-28 21:50   ` [PATCH v4 0/2] net: sfp: add support for GPON RTL8672/RTL9601C and Ubiquiti U-Fiber patchwork-bot+netdevbpf

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