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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Si-Wei Liu <si-wei.liu@oracle.com>,
	elic@nvidia.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH] vdpa/mlx5: set_features should allow reset to zero
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 13:53:28 -0500
Message-ID: <20210225135229-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <be6713d3-ac98-bbbf-1dc1-a003ed06a156@redhat.com>

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:36:07PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> On 2021/2/24 7:12 下午, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 17:29:07 +0800
> > Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On 2021/2/23 6:58 下午, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 18:31:07 +0800
> > > > Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > On 2021/2/23 6:04 下午, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 17:46:20 +0800
> > > > > > Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 2021/2/23 下午5:25, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 09:09:28AM -0800, Si-Wei Liu wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 2/21/2021 8:14 PM, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 2021/2/19 7:54 下午, Si-Wei Liu wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Commit 452639a64ad8 ("vdpa: make sure set_features is invoked
> > > > > > > > > > > for legacy") made an exception for legacy guests to reset
> > > > > > > > > > > features to 0, when config space is accessed before features
> > > > > > > > > > > are set. We should relieve the verify_min_features() check
> > > > > > > > > > > and allow features reset to 0 for this case.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > It's worth noting that not just legacy guests could access
> > > > > > > > > > > config space before features are set. For instance, when
> > > > > > > > > > > feature VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU is advertised some modern driver
> > > > > > > > > > > will try to access and validate the MTU present in the config
> > > > > > > > > > > space before virtio features are set.
> > > > > > > > > > This looks like a spec violation:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > "
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > The following driver-read-only field, mtu only exists if
> > > > > > > > > > VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU is set. This field specifies the maximum MTU for the
> > > > > > > > > > driver to use.
> > > > > > > > > > "
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Do we really want to workaround this?
> > > > > > > > > Isn't the commit 452639a64ad8 itself is a workaround for legacy guest?
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I think the point is, since there's legacy guest we'd have to support, this
> > > > > > > > > host side workaround is unavoidable. Although I agree the violating driver
> > > > > > > > > should be fixed (yes, it's in today's upstream kernel which exists for a
> > > > > > > > > while now).
> > > > > > > > Oh  you are right:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > static int virtnet_validate(struct virtio_device *vdev)
> > > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > >             if (!vdev->config->get) {
> > > > > > > >                     dev_err(&vdev->dev, "%s failure: config access disabled\n",
> > > > > > > >                             __func__);
> > > > > > > >                     return -EINVAL;
> > > > > > > >             }
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >             if (!virtnet_validate_features(vdev))
> > > > > > > >                     return -EINVAL;
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >             if (virtio_has_feature(vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU)) {
> > > > > > > >                     int mtu = virtio_cread16(vdev,
> > > > > > > >                                              offsetof(struct virtio_net_config,
> > > > > > > >                                                       mtu));
> > > > > > > >                     if (mtu < MIN_MTU)
> > > > > > > >                             __virtio_clear_bit(vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU);
> > > > > > > I wonder why not simply fail here?
> > > > > > I think both failing or not accepting the feature can be argued to make
> > > > > > sense: "the device presented us with a mtu size that does not make
> > > > > > sense" would point to failing, "we cannot work with the mtu size that
> > > > > > the device presented us" would point to not negotiating the feature.
> > > > > > > >             }
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >             return 0;
> > > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > And the spec says:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The driver MUST follow this sequence to initialize a device:
> > > > > > > > 1. Reset the device.
> > > > > > > > 2. Set the ACKNOWLEDGE status bit: the guest OS has noticed the device.
> > > > > > > > 3. Set the DRIVER status bit: the guest OS knows how to drive the device.
> > > > > > > > 4. Read device feature bits, and write the subset of feature bits understood by the OS and driver to the
> > > > > > > > device. During this step the driver MAY read (but MUST NOT write) the device-specific configuration
> > > > > > > > fields to check that it can support the device before accepting it.
> > > > > > > > 5. Set the FEATURES_OK status bit. The driver MUST NOT accept new feature bits after this step.
> > > > > > > > 6. Re-read device status to ensure the FEATURES_OK bit is still set: otherwise, the device does not
> > > > > > > > support our subset of features and the device is unusable.
> > > > > > > > 7. Perform device-specific setup, including discovery of virtqueues for the device, optional per-bus setup,
> > > > > > > > reading and possibly writing the device’s virtio configuration space, and population of virtqueues.
> > > > > > > > 8. Set the DRIVER_OK status bit. At this point the device is “live”.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Item 4 on the list explicitly allows reading config space before
> > > > > > > > FEATURES_OK.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I conclude that VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU is set means "set in device features".
> > > > > > > So this probably need some clarification. "is set" is used many times in
> > > > > > > the spec that has different implications.
> > > > > > Before FEATURES_OK is set by the driver, I guess it means "the device
> > > > > > has offered the feature";
> > > > > For me this part is ok since it clarify that it's the driver that set
> > > > > the bit.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > during normal usage, it means "the feature
> > > > > > has been negotiated".
> > > > > /?
> > > > > 
> > > > > It looks to me the feature negotiation is done only after device set
> > > > > FEATURES_OK, or FEATURES_OK could be read from device status?
> > > > I'd consider feature negotiation done when the driver reads FEATURES_OK
> > > > back from the status.
> > > 
> > > I agree.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > >     (This is a bit fuzzy for legacy mode.)
> > > > ...because legacy does not have FEATURES_OK.
> > > > > The problem is the MTU description for example:
> > > > > 
> > > > > "The following driver-read-only field, mtu only exists if
> > > > > VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU is set."
> > > > > 
> > > > > It looks to me need to use "if VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU is set by device".
> > > > "offered by the device"? I don't think it should 'disappear' from the
> > > > config space if the driver won't use it. (Same for other config space
> > > > fields that are tied to feature bits.)
> > > 
> > > But what happens if e.g device doesn't offer VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU? It looks
> > > to according to the spec there will be no mtu field.
> > I think so, yes.
> > 
> > > And a more interesting case is VIRTIO_NET_F_MQ is not offered but
> > > VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU offered. To me, it means we don't have
> > > max_virtqueue_pairs but it's not how the driver is wrote today.
> > That would be a bug, but it seems to me that the virtio-net driver
> > reads max_virtqueue_pairs conditionally and handles absence of the
> > feature correctly?
> 
> 
> Yes, see the avove codes:
> 
>         if (virtio_has_feature(vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU)) {
>                 int mtu = virtio_cread16(vdev,
>                                          offsetof(struct virtio_net_config,
>                                                   mtu));
>                 if (mtu < MIN_MTU)
>                         __virtio_clear_bit(vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU);
>         }
> 
> So it's probably too late to fix the driver.
> 

Confused. What is wrong with the above? It never reads the
field unless the feature has been offered by device.


> > 
> > > 
> > > > > Otherwise readers (at least for me), may think the MTU is only valid
> > > > > if driver set the bit.
> > > > I think it would still be 'valid' in the sense that it exists and has
> > > > some value in there filled in by the device, but a driver reading it
> > > > without negotiating the feature would be buggy. (Like in the kernel
> > > > code above; the kernel not liking the value does not make the field
> > > > invalid.)
> > > 
> > > See Michael's reply, the spec allows read the config before setting
> > > features.
> > Yes, the period prior to finishing negotiation is obviously special.
> > 
> > > 
> > > > Maybe a statement covering everything would be:
> > > > 
> > > > "The following driver-read-only field mtu only exists if the device
> > > > offers VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU and may be read by the driver during feature
> > > > negotiation and after VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU has been successfully
> > > > negotiated."
> > > > > > Should we add a wording clarification to the spec?
> > > > > I think so.
> > > > Some clarification would be needed for each field that depends on a
> > > > feature; that would be quite verbose. Maybe we can get away with a
> > > > clarifying statement?
> > > > 
> > > > "Some config space fields may depend on a certain feature. In that
> > > > case, the field exits if the device has offered the corresponding
> > > > feature,
> > > 
> > > So this implies for !VIRTIO_NET_F_MQ && VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU, the config
> > > will look like:
> > > 
> > > struct virtio_net_config {
> > >           u8 mac[6];
> > >           le16 status;
> > >           le16 mtu;
> > > };
> > > 
> > I agree.
> 
> 
> So consider it's probably too late to fix the driver which assumes some
> field are always persent, it looks to me need fix the spec do declare the
> fields are always existing instead.
> 
> 
> > 
> > > >    and may be read by the driver during feature negotiation, and
> > > > accessed by the driver after the feature has been successfully
> > > > negotiated. A shorthand for this is a statement that a field only
> > > > exists if a certain feature bit is set."
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure using "shorthand" is good for the spec, at least we can
> > > limit the its scope only to the configuration space part.
> > Maybe "a shorthand expression"?
> 
> 
> So the questions is should we use this for all over the spec or it will be
> only used in this speicifc part (device configuration).
> 
> Thanks
> 


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Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-19 11:54 Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-21 14:44 ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-21 21:52   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-22  6:05     ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-23  9:26       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-23  9:48         ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23  9:55           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-22  4:14 ` Jason Wang
2021-02-22  7:34   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-23  1:12     ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-23  2:03       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23 13:26         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-23 19:35           ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-24  3:20             ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  5:17               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  6:02                 ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  6:45                 ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-24  6:47                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  6:55                     ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  7:12                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24 12:40                         ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-24  7:17                       ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-24  5:04             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  6:04               ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  6:46                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  6:53                   ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  7:17                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                       ` <babc654d-8dcd-d8a2-c3b6-d20cc4fc554c@redhat.com>
2021-02-24  8:43                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  9:30                           ` Jason Wang
2021-02-28 21:30                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-01  3:53                               ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24 18:24               ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-26  0:56                 ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-28 21:27                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-01 18:08                     ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-28 21:28                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-28 21:34                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-01  3:56                   ` Jason Wang
2021-03-02  9:47                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-02 10:53                       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-22 17:09   ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-23  2:03     ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23  9:25     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-23  9:46       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23 10:01         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-23 10:17           ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  9:40             ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23 10:04         ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-02-23 10:31           ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23 10:58             ` Cornelia Huck
2021-02-24  9:29               ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24 11:12                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-02-25  4:36                   ` Jason Wang
2021-02-25 13:26                     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-02-25 18:53                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2021-02-26  8:19                       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-28 21:25                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-01  3:51                           ` Jason Wang
2021-03-02 12:08                             ` Cornelia Huck
     [not found]                               ` <5f6972fe-7246-b622-958d-9cab8dd98e21@redhat.com>
2021-03-03  8:29                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-03-04  8:24                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-03-04 13:50                                     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-03-05  3:01                                       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23 12:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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