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From: Marek Behun <marek.behun@nic.cz>
To: Tobias Waldekranz <tobias@waldekranz.com>
Cc: "Vladimir Oltean" <olteanv@gmail.com>,
	"Ansuel Smith" <ansuelsmth@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Andrew Lunn" <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	"Vivien Didelot" <vivien.didelot@gmail.com>,
	"Florian Fainelli" <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andriin@fb.com>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Wei Wang" <weiwan@google.com>,
	"Cong Wang" <cong.wang@bytedance.com>,
	"Taehee Yoo" <ap420073@gmail.com>,
	"Björn Töpel" <bjorn@kernel.org>,
	"zhang kai" <zhangkaiheb@126.com>,
	"Weilong Chen" <chenweilong@huawei.com>,
	"Roopa Prabhu" <roopa@cumulusnetworks.com>,
	"Di Zhu" <zhudi21@huawei.com>,
	"Francis Laniel" <laniel_francis@privacyrequired.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC net-next 0/3] Multi-CPU DSA support
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 21:30:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210412213045.4277a598@thinkpad> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878s5nllgs.fsf@waldekranz.com>

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 14:46:11 +0200
Tobias Waldekranz <tobias@waldekranz.com> wrote:

> I agree. Unless you only have a few really wideband flows, a LAG will
> typically do a great job with balancing. This will happen without the
> user having to do any configuration at all. It would also perform well
> in "router-on-a-stick"-setups where the incoming and outgoing port is
> the same.

TLDR: The problem with LAGs how they are currently implemented is that
for Turris Omnia, basically in 1/16 of configurations the traffic would
go via one CPU port anyway.



One potencial problem that I see with using LAGs for aggregating CPU
ports on mv88e6xxx is how these switches determine the port for a
packet: only the src and dst MAC address is used for the hash that
chooses the port.

The most common scenario for Turris Omnia, for example, where we have 2
CPU ports and 5 user ports, is that into these 5 user ports the user
plugs 5 simple devices (no switches, so only one peer MAC address for
port). So we have only 5 pairs of src + dst MAC addresses. If we simply
fill the LAG table as it is done now, then there is 2 * 0.5^5 = 1/16
chance that all packets would go through one CPU port.

In order to have real load balancing in this scenario, we would either
have to recompute the LAG mask table depending on the MAC addresses, or
rewrite the LAG mask table somewhat randomly periodically. (This could
be in theory offloaded onto the Z80 internal CPU for some of the
switches of the mv88e6xxx family, but not for Omnia.)

Marek

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-04-12 19:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-10 13:34 [PATCH RFC net-next 0/3] Multi-CPU DSA support Ansuel Smith
2021-04-10 13:34 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 1/3] net: dsa: allow for multiple CPU ports Ansuel Smith
2021-04-12  3:35   ` DENG Qingfang
2021-04-12  4:41     ` Ansuel Smith
2021-04-12 15:30       ` DENG Qingfang
2021-04-12 16:17         ` Frank Wunderlich
2021-04-10 13:34 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 2/3] net: add ndo for setting the iflink property Ansuel Smith
2021-04-10 13:34 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 3/3] net: dsa: implement ndo_set_netlink for chaning port's CPU port Ansuel Smith
2021-04-10 13:34 ` [PATCH RFC iproute2-next] iplink: allow to change iplink value Ansuel Smith
2021-04-11 17:04   ` Stephen Hemminger
2021-04-11 17:09     ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-04-11 18:01 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 0/3] Multi-CPU DSA support Marek Behun
2021-04-11 18:08   ` Ansuel Smith
2021-04-11 18:39   ` Andrew Lunn
2021-04-12  2:07     ` Florian Fainelli
2021-04-12  4:53     ` Ansuel Smith
2021-04-11 18:50   ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-04-11 23:53     ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-04-12  2:10       ` Florian Fainelli
2021-04-12  5:04     ` Ansuel Smith
2021-04-12 12:46     ` Tobias Waldekranz
2021-04-12 14:35       ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-04-12 21:06         ` Tobias Waldekranz
2021-04-12 19:30       ` Marek Behun [this message]
2021-04-12 21:22         ` Tobias Waldekranz
2021-04-12 21:34           ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-04-12 21:49             ` Tobias Waldekranz
2021-04-12 21:56               ` Marek Behun
2021-04-12 22:06               ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-04-12 22:26                 ` Tobias Waldekranz
2021-04-12 22:48                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-04-12 23:04                     ` Marek Behun
2021-04-12 21:50           ` Marek Behun
2021-04-12 22:05             ` Tobias Waldekranz
2021-04-12 22:55               ` Marek Behun
2021-04-12 23:09                 ` Tobias Waldekranz
2021-04-12 23:13                   ` Tobias Waldekranz
2021-04-12 23:54                     ` Marek Behun
2021-04-13  0:27                       ` Marek Behun
2021-04-13  0:31                         ` Marek Behun
2021-04-13 14:46                         ` Tobias Waldekranz
2021-04-13 15:14                           ` Marek Behun
2021-04-13 18:16                             ` Tobias Waldekranz
2021-04-14 15:14                               ` Marek Behun
2021-04-14 18:39                                 ` Tobias Waldekranz
2021-04-14 23:39                                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-04-15  9:20                                     ` Tobias Waldekranz
2021-04-13 14:40                       ` Tobias Waldekranz
2021-04-12 15:00     ` DENG Qingfang
2021-04-12 16:32       ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-04-12 22:04         ` Marek Behun
2021-04-12 22:17           ` Vladimir Oltean
2021-04-12 22:47             ` Marek Behun
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-08-24  2:42 Marek Behún
2019-08-24 15:24 ` Andrew Lunn
2019-08-24 17:45   ` Marek Behun
2019-08-24 17:54     ` Andrew Lunn
2019-08-25  4:19   ` Marek Behun
2019-08-24 15:40 ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-08-24 15:44   ` Vladimir Oltean
2019-08-24 17:55     ` Marek Behun
2019-08-24 15:56   ` Andrew Lunn
2019-08-24 17:58     ` Marek Behun
2019-08-24 20:04 ` Florian Fainelli
2019-08-24 21:01   ` Marek Behun
2019-08-25  4:08     ` Marek Behun
2019-08-25  7:13   ` Marek Behun
2019-08-25 15:00     ` Florian Fainelli

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