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From: David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <jakub.kicinski@netronome.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
Cc: Roopa Prabhu <roopa@cumulusnetworks.com>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Stephen Hemminger <sthemmin@microsoft.com>,
	dcbw@redhat.com, Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	parav@mellanox.com, Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@mellanox.com>,
	mlxsw <mlxsw@mellanox.com>
Subject: Re: [patch net-next rfc 3/7] net: rtnetlink: add commands to add and delete alternative ifnames
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:46:43 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5d79fba4-f82e-97a7-7846-fd1de089a95b@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190826095548.4d4843fe@cakuba.netronome.com>

On 8/26/19 10:55 AM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 18:09:16 +0200, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> DaveA, Roopa. Do you insist on doing add/remove of altnames in the
>> existing setlist command using embedded message op attrs? I'm asking
>> because after some time thinking about it, it still feels wrong to me :/
>>
>> If this would be a generic netlink api, we would just add another couple
>> of commands. What is so different we can't add commands here?
>> It is also much simpler code. Easy error handling, no need for
>> rollback, no possibly inconsistent state, etc.
> 
> +1 the separate op feels like a better uapi to me as well.
> 
> Perhaps we could redo the iproute2 command line interface to make the
> name the primary object? Would that address your concern Dave and Roopa?
> 

No, my point is exactly that a name is not a primary object. A name is
an attribute of a link - something that exists for the convenience of
userspace only. (Like the 'protocol' for routes, rules and neighbors.)

Currently, names are changed by RTM_NEWLINK/RTM_SETLINK. Aliases are
added and deleted by RTM_NEWLINK/RTM_SETLINK. Why is an alternative name
so special that it should have its own API?

If only 1 alt name was allowed, then RTM_NEWLINK/RTM_SETLINK would
suffice. Management of it would have the same semantics as an alias -
empty string means delete, non-empty string sets the value.

So really the push for new RTM commands is to handle an unlimited number
of alt names with the ability to change / delete any one of them. Has
the need for multiple alternate ifnames been fully established? (I don't
recall other than a discussion about parallels to block devices.)

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-26 21:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-19 11:00 [patch net-next rfc 0/7] net: introduce alternative names for network interfaces Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 1/7] net: procfs: use index hashlist instead of name hashlist Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 2/7] net: introduce name_node struct to be used in hashlist Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 16:29   ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-07-19 19:17     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 20:26       ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-07-20  7:15         ` Jiri Pirko
2019-09-13  9:52         ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-08  4:34   ` kbuild test robot
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 3/7] net: rtnetlink: add commands to add and delete alternative ifnames Jiri Pirko
2019-07-20  3:58   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-07-20  7:20     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-09  4:11   ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-09  6:25     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-09 15:40       ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-09 15:46         ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-10 13:46           ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-10 15:50             ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-10 19:39               ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-11 22:10                 ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-12 15:21                   ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-12 15:43                     ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-09 16:14         ` David Ahern
2019-08-10  6:30           ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-12  1:34             ` David Ahern
2019-08-12  1:37               ` David Ahern
2019-08-12  8:31                 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-12 15:13                   ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-12 21:43                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-08-13  0:29                       ` David Ahern
2019-08-13  6:53                         ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-13  6:51                     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-12 15:40                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-08-12 16:23                     ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-13  6:55                     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-12 16:01                   ` David Ahern
2019-08-13  6:56                     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-26 16:09                       ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-26 16:55                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-08-26 21:46                           ` David Ahern [this message]
2019-08-26 22:15                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-08-26 22:18                               ` David Miller
2019-08-26 22:24                                 ` David Ahern
2019-08-26 22:25                                   ` David Miller
2019-08-27  0:17                                     ` David Ahern
2019-08-27  5:09                                       ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-27  7:08                                 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-27  8:22                                   ` David Miller
2019-08-27  9:35                                     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-27 15:14                                       ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-28  7:07                                         ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-29  4:36                                           ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-29  5:26                                             ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-30 14:35                                               ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-30 14:47                                                 ` David Ahern
2019-08-30 17:04                                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-30 14:49                                                 ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-30 17:03                                                 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-09-12 11:59                                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2019-09-13  8:21                                                     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-09-13 14:50                                                     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-27  4:55                             ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-27 13:43                               ` David Ahern
2019-08-10  6:32         ` Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 4/7] net: rtnetlink: put alternative names to getlink message Jiri Pirko
2019-07-20  3:59   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-07-20  7:17     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 5/7] net: rtnetlink: unify the code in __rtnl_newlink get dev with the rest Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 6/7] net: rtnetlink: introduce helper to get net_device instance by ifname Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 7/7] net: rtnetlink: add possibility to use alternative names as message handle Jiri Pirko
2019-07-20  3:59   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-07-20  7:22     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:03 ` [patch iproute2 rfc 1/2] ip: add support for alternative name addition/deletion/list Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:03 ` [patch iproute2 rfc 2/2] ip: allow to use alternative names as handle Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 16:31 ` [patch net-next rfc 0/7] net: introduce alternative names for network interfaces Stephen Hemminger
2019-07-19 19:16   ` Jiri Pirko

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