From: David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <jakub.kicinski@netronome.com>,
Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
Cc: Roopa Prabhu <roopa@cumulusnetworks.com>,
netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Stephen Hemminger <sthemmin@microsoft.com>,
dcbw@redhat.com, Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz>,
Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
parav@mellanox.com, Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@mellanox.com>,
mlxsw <mlxsw@mellanox.com>
Subject: Re: [patch net-next rfc 3/7] net: rtnetlink: add commands to add and delete alternative ifnames
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:46:43 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5d79fba4-f82e-97a7-7846-fd1de089a95b@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190826095548.4d4843fe@cakuba.netronome.com>
On 8/26/19 10:55 AM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 18:09:16 +0200, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> DaveA, Roopa. Do you insist on doing add/remove of altnames in the
>> existing setlist command using embedded message op attrs? I'm asking
>> because after some time thinking about it, it still feels wrong to me :/
>>
>> If this would be a generic netlink api, we would just add another couple
>> of commands. What is so different we can't add commands here?
>> It is also much simpler code. Easy error handling, no need for
>> rollback, no possibly inconsistent state, etc.
>
> +1 the separate op feels like a better uapi to me as well.
>
> Perhaps we could redo the iproute2 command line interface to make the
> name the primary object? Would that address your concern Dave and Roopa?
>
No, my point is exactly that a name is not a primary object. A name is
an attribute of a link - something that exists for the convenience of
userspace only. (Like the 'protocol' for routes, rules and neighbors.)
Currently, names are changed by RTM_NEWLINK/RTM_SETLINK. Aliases are
added and deleted by RTM_NEWLINK/RTM_SETLINK. Why is an alternative name
so special that it should have its own API?
If only 1 alt name was allowed, then RTM_NEWLINK/RTM_SETLINK would
suffice. Management of it would have the same semantics as an alias -
empty string means delete, non-empty string sets the value.
So really the push for new RTM commands is to handle an unlimited number
of alt names with the ability to change / delete any one of them. Has
the need for multiple alternate ifnames been fully established? (I don't
recall other than a discussion about parallels to block devices.)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-08-26 21:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-07-19 11:00 [patch net-next rfc 0/7] net: introduce alternative names for network interfaces Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 1/7] net: procfs: use index hashlist instead of name hashlist Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 2/7] net: introduce name_node struct to be used in hashlist Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 16:29 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-07-19 19:17 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 20:26 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-07-20 7:15 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-09-13 9:52 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-08 4:34 ` kbuild test robot
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 3/7] net: rtnetlink: add commands to add and delete alternative ifnames Jiri Pirko
2019-07-20 3:58 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-07-20 7:20 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-09 4:11 ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-09 6:25 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-09 15:40 ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-09 15:46 ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-10 13:46 ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-10 15:50 ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-10 19:39 ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-11 22:10 ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-12 15:21 ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-12 15:43 ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-09 16:14 ` David Ahern
2019-08-10 6:30 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-12 1:34 ` David Ahern
2019-08-12 1:37 ` David Ahern
2019-08-12 8:31 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-12 15:13 ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-12 21:43 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-08-13 0:29 ` David Ahern
2019-08-13 6:53 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-13 6:51 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-12 15:40 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-08-12 16:23 ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-13 6:55 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-12 16:01 ` David Ahern
2019-08-13 6:56 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-26 16:09 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-26 16:55 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-08-26 21:46 ` David Ahern [this message]
2019-08-26 22:15 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-08-26 22:18 ` David Miller
2019-08-26 22:24 ` David Ahern
2019-08-26 22:25 ` David Miller
2019-08-27 0:17 ` David Ahern
2019-08-27 5:09 ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-27 7:08 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-27 8:22 ` David Miller
2019-08-27 9:35 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-27 15:14 ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-28 7:07 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-29 4:36 ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-29 5:26 ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-30 14:35 ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-30 14:47 ` David Ahern
2019-08-30 17:04 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-30 14:49 ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-30 17:03 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-09-12 11:59 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-09-13 8:21 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-09-13 14:50 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-27 4:55 ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-27 13:43 ` David Ahern
2019-08-10 6:32 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 4/7] net: rtnetlink: put alternative names to getlink message Jiri Pirko
2019-07-20 3:59 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-07-20 7:17 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 5/7] net: rtnetlink: unify the code in __rtnl_newlink get dev with the rest Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 6/7] net: rtnetlink: introduce helper to get net_device instance by ifname Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 7/7] net: rtnetlink: add possibility to use alternative names as message handle Jiri Pirko
2019-07-20 3:59 ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-07-20 7:22 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:03 ` [patch iproute2 rfc 1/2] ip: add support for alternative name addition/deletion/list Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:03 ` [patch iproute2 rfc 2/2] ip: allow to use alternative names as handle Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 16:31 ` [patch net-next rfc 0/7] net: introduce alternative names for network interfaces Stephen Hemminger
2019-07-19 19:16 ` Jiri Pirko
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