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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Si-Wei Liu <si-wei.liu@oracle.com>,
	elic@nvidia.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH] vdpa/mlx5: set_features should allow reset to zero
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 17:29:07 +0800
Message-ID: <8355f9b3-4cda-cd2e-98df-fed020193008@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210223115833.732d809c.cohuck@redhat.com>


On 2021/2/23 6:58 下午, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 18:31:07 +0800
> Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2021/2/23 6:04 下午, Cornelia Huck wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 17:46:20 +0800
>>> Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>> On 2021/2/23 下午5:25, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 09:09:28AM -0800, Si-Wei Liu wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/21/2021 8:14 PM, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021/2/19 7:54 下午, Si-Wei Liu wrote:
>>>>>>>> Commit 452639a64ad8 ("vdpa: make sure set_features is invoked
>>>>>>>> for legacy") made an exception for legacy guests to reset
>>>>>>>> features to 0, when config space is accessed before features
>>>>>>>> are set. We should relieve the verify_min_features() check
>>>>>>>> and allow features reset to 0 for this case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's worth noting that not just legacy guests could access
>>>>>>>> config space before features are set. For instance, when
>>>>>>>> feature VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU is advertised some modern driver
>>>>>>>> will try to access and validate the MTU present in the config
>>>>>>>> space before virtio features are set.
>>>>>>> This looks like a spec violation:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The following driver-read-only field, mtu only exists if
>>>>>>> VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU is set. This field specifies the maximum MTU for the
>>>>>>> driver to use.
>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do we really want to workaround this?
>>>>>> Isn't the commit 452639a64ad8 itself is a workaround for legacy guest?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the point is, since there's legacy guest we'd have to support, this
>>>>>> host side workaround is unavoidable. Although I agree the violating driver
>>>>>> should be fixed (yes, it's in today's upstream kernel which exists for a
>>>>>> while now).
>>>>> Oh  you are right:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> static int virtnet_validate(struct virtio_device *vdev)
>>>>> {
>>>>>            if (!vdev->config->get) {
>>>>>                    dev_err(&vdev->dev, "%s failure: config access disabled\n",
>>>>>                            __func__);
>>>>>                    return -EINVAL;
>>>>>            }
>>>>>
>>>>>            if (!virtnet_validate_features(vdev))
>>>>>                    return -EINVAL;
>>>>>
>>>>>            if (virtio_has_feature(vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU)) {
>>>>>                    int mtu = virtio_cread16(vdev,
>>>>>                                             offsetof(struct virtio_net_config,
>>>>>                                                      mtu));
>>>>>                    if (mtu < MIN_MTU)
>>>>>                            __virtio_clear_bit(vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU);
>>>> I wonder why not simply fail here?
>>> I think both failing or not accepting the feature can be argued to make
>>> sense: "the device presented us with a mtu size that does not make
>>> sense" would point to failing, "we cannot work with the mtu size that
>>> the device presented us" would point to not negotiating the feature.
>>>   
>>>>   
>>>>>            }
>>>>>
>>>>>            return 0;
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> And the spec says:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The driver MUST follow this sequence to initialize a device:
>>>>> 1. Reset the device.
>>>>> 2. Set the ACKNOWLEDGE status bit: the guest OS has noticed the device.
>>>>> 3. Set the DRIVER status bit: the guest OS knows how to drive the device.
>>>>> 4. Read device feature bits, and write the subset of feature bits understood by the OS and driver to the
>>>>> device. During this step the driver MAY read (but MUST NOT write) the device-specific configuration
>>>>> fields to check that it can support the device before accepting it.
>>>>> 5. Set the FEATURES_OK status bit. The driver MUST NOT accept new feature bits after this step.
>>>>> 6. Re-read device status to ensure the FEATURES_OK bit is still set: otherwise, the device does not
>>>>> support our subset of features and the device is unusable.
>>>>> 7. Perform device-specific setup, including discovery of virtqueues for the device, optional per-bus setup,
>>>>> reading and possibly writing the device’s virtio configuration space, and population of virtqueues.
>>>>> 8. Set the DRIVER_OK status bit. At this point the device is “live”.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Item 4 on the list explicitly allows reading config space before
>>>>> FEATURES_OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> I conclude that VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU is set means "set in device features".
>>>> So this probably need some clarification. "is set" is used many times in
>>>> the spec that has different implications.
>>> Before FEATURES_OK is set by the driver, I guess it means "the device
>>> has offered the feature";
>>
>> For me this part is ok since it clarify that it's the driver that set
>> the bit.
>>
>>
>>
>>> during normal usage, it means "the feature
>>> has been negotiated".
>> /?
>>
>> It looks to me the feature negotiation is done only after device set
>> FEATURES_OK, or FEATURES_OK could be read from device status?
> I'd consider feature negotiation done when the driver reads FEATURES_OK
> back from the status.


I agree.


>
>>
>>>    (This is a bit fuzzy for legacy mode.)
> ...because legacy does not have FEATURES_OK.
>    
>>
>> The problem is the MTU description for example:
>>
>> "The following driver-read-only field, mtu only exists if
>> VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU is set."
>>
>> It looks to me need to use "if VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU is set by device".
> "offered by the device"? I don't think it should 'disappear' from the
> config space if the driver won't use it. (Same for other config space
> fields that are tied to feature bits.)


But what happens if e.g device doesn't offer VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU? It looks 
to according to the spec there will be no mtu field.

And a more interesting case is VIRTIO_NET_F_MQ is not offered but 
VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU offered. To me, it means we don't have 
max_virtqueue_pairs but it's not how the driver is wrote today.


>   
>> Otherwise readers (at least for me), may think the MTU is only valid
>> if driver set the bit.
> I think it would still be 'valid' in the sense that it exists and has
> some value in there filled in by the device, but a driver reading it
> without negotiating the feature would be buggy. (Like in the kernel
> code above; the kernel not liking the value does not make the field
> invalid.)


See Michael's reply, the spec allows read the config before setting 
features.


>
> Maybe a statement covering everything would be:
>
> "The following driver-read-only field mtu only exists if the device
> offers VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU and may be read by the driver during feature
> negotiation and after VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU has been successfully
> negotiated."
>
>>
>>> Should we add a wording clarification to the spec?
>>
>> I think so.
> Some clarification would be needed for each field that depends on a
> feature; that would be quite verbose. Maybe we can get away with a
> clarifying statement?
>
> "Some config space fields may depend on a certain feature. In that
> case, the field exits if the device has offered the corresponding
> feature,


So this implies for !VIRTIO_NET_F_MQ && VIRTIO_NET_F_MTU, the config 
will look like:

struct virtio_net_config {
         u8 mac[6];
         le16 status;
         le16 mtu;
};


>   and may be read by the driver during feature negotiation, and
> accessed by the driver after the feature has been successfully
> negotiated. A shorthand for this is a statement that a field only
> exists if a certain feature bit is set."


I'm not sure using "shorthand" is good for the spec, at least we can 
limit the its scope only to the configuration space part.

Thanks


>


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Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-19 11:54 Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-21 14:44 ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-21 21:52   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-22  6:05     ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-23  9:26       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-23  9:48         ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23  9:55           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-22  4:14 ` Jason Wang
2021-02-22  7:34   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-23  1:12     ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-23  2:03       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23 13:26         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-23 19:35           ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-24  3:20             ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  5:17               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  6:02                 ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  6:45                 ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-24  6:47                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  6:55                     ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  7:12                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24 12:40                         ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-24  7:17                       ` Eli Cohen
2021-02-24  5:04             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  6:04               ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  6:46                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  6:53                   ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  7:17                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                       ` <babc654d-8dcd-d8a2-c3b6-d20cc4fc554c@redhat.com>
2021-02-24  8:43                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  9:30                           ` Jason Wang
2021-02-28 21:30                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-01  3:53                               ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24 18:24               ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-26  0:56                 ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-28 21:27                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-01 18:08                     ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-28 21:28                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-28 21:34                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-01  3:56                   ` Jason Wang
2021-03-02  9:47                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-02 10:53                       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-22 17:09   ` Si-Wei Liu
2021-02-23  2:03     ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23  9:25     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-23  9:46       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23 10:01         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-23 10:17           ` Jason Wang
2021-02-24  9:40             ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23 10:04         ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2021-02-23 10:31           ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23 10:58             ` Cornelia Huck
2021-02-24  9:29               ` Jason Wang [this message]
2021-02-24 11:12                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-02-25  4:36                   ` Jason Wang
2021-02-25 13:26                     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-02-25 18:53                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-26  8:19                       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-28 21:25                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-01  3:51                           ` Jason Wang
2021-03-02 12:08                             ` Cornelia Huck
     [not found]                               ` <5f6972fe-7246-b622-958d-9cab8dd98e21@redhat.com>
2021-03-03  8:29                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-03-04  8:24                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-03-04 13:50                                     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-03-05  3:01                                       ` Jason Wang
2021-02-23 12:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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