From: Alex Elder <elder@linaro.org>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com>
Cc: Subash Abhinov Kasiviswanathan <subashab@codeaurora.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/17] net: introduce Qualcomm IPA driver
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:20:39 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <850eed1d-0fec-c396-6e91-b5f1f8440ded@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e6ba8a9063e63506c0b88a70418d74ca4efe85cd.camel@sipsolutions.net>
On 6/17/19 7:25 AM, Johannes Berg wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-06-17 at 13:42 +0200, Johannes Berg wrote:
>
>> But anyway, as I alluded to above, I had something like this in mind:
>
> I forgot to state this here, but this was *heavily* influenced by
> discussions with Dan - many thanks to him.
Thanks for getting even more concrete with this. Code is the
most concise way of describing things, once the general ideas
seem to be coming together.
I'm not going to comment on the specific code bits, but I have
some more general questions and comments on the design. Some
of these are simply due to my lack of knowledge of how WWAN/modem
interactions normally work.
First, a few terms (correct or improve as you like):
- WWAN device is a hardware device (like IPA) that presents a
connection between AP and modem, and presents an interface
that allows the use of that connection to be managed.
- WWAN netdevice represents a Linux network interface, with its
operations and queues, etc., but implements a standardized
set of WWAN-specific operations. It represents a logical
' channel whose data is multiplexed over the WWAN device.
- WWAN channel is a user space abstraction that corresponds
with a WWAN netdevice (but I'm not clear on all the ways
they differ or interact).
- The WWAN core is kernel code that presents abstractions
for WWAN devices and netdevices, so they can be managed
in a generic way. It is for configuration and communication
and is not at all involved in the data path.
You're saying that the WWAN driver space calls wwan_add()
to register itself as a new WWAN device.
You're also saying that a WWAN device "attaches" a WWAN
netdevice, which is basically notifying the WWAN core
that the new netdev/channel is available for use.
- I trust that a "tentative" attachement is necessary. But
I'm not sure what makes it transition into becoming a
"real" one, or how that event gets communicated.
Some questions:
- What causes a new channel to be created? Is it initiated
by the WWAN device driver? Does the modem request that
it get created? User space? Both?
- What causes a created channel to be removed?
- You distinguish between attaching a netdevice and (what
I'll call) activating it. What causes activation?
- How are the attributes of a WWAN device or channel set,
or communicated?
- Are there any attributes that are only optionally supported,
and if so, how are the supported ones communicated?
- Which WWAN channel attributes must be set *before* the
channel is activated, and can't be changed? Are there any
that can be changed dynamically?
And while the whole point of this is to make things generic,
it might be nice to have a way to implement a new feature
before it can be "standardized".
Thanks.
-Alex
PS I don't want to exclude anybody but we could probably start
a different mail chain on this topic...
>> driver_dev
>> struct device *dev (USB, PCI, ...)
>> net_device NA
>> net_device NB
>> tty TA
>> ...
>>
. . .
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-06-18 15:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-05-31 3:53 [PATCH v2 00/17] net: introduce Qualcomm IPA driver Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 01/17] bitfield.h: add FIELD_MAX() and field_max() Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 02/17] dt-bindings: soc: qcom: add IPA bindings Alex Elder
2019-06-10 22:08 ` Rob Herring
2019-06-11 2:11 ` Alex Elder
2019-07-03 15:09 ` Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 03/17] soc: qcom: ipa: main code Alex Elder
2019-05-31 21:50 ` David Miller
2019-05-31 22:25 ` Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 04/17] soc: qcom: ipa: configuration data Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 05/17] soc: qcom: ipa: clocking, interrupts, and memory Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 06/17] soc: qcom: ipa: GSI headers Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 07/17] soc: qcom: ipa: the generic software interface Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 08/17] soc: qcom: ipa: GSI transactions Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 09/17] soc: qcom: ipa: IPA interface to GSI Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 10/17] soc: qcom: ipa: IPA endpoints Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 11/17] soc: qcom: ipa: immediate commands Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 12/17] soc: qcom: ipa: IPA network device and microcontroller Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 13/17] soc: qcom: ipa: AP/modem communications Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 14/17] soc: qcom: ipa: support build of IPA code Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 15/17] MAINTAINERS: add entry for the Qualcomm IPA driver Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 16/17] arm64: dts: sdm845: add IPA information Alex Elder
2019-05-31 3:53 ` [PATCH v2 17/17] arm64: defconfig: enable build of IPA code Alex Elder
2019-05-31 14:58 ` [PATCH v2 00/17] net: introduce Qualcomm IPA driver Dan Williams
2019-05-31 16:36 ` Alex Elder
2019-05-31 19:19 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31 20:47 ` Alex Elder
2019-05-31 21:12 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-05-31 22:08 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-07 17:43 ` Alex Elder
2019-05-31 23:33 ` Bjorn Andersson
2019-05-31 23:59 ` Subash Abhinov Kasiviswanathan
2019-06-03 10:04 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-03 13:32 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-04 8:13 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-04 15:18 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-04 20:04 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-04 21:29 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-06 17:42 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-11 8:12 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-11 11:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-11 15:53 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-11 16:52 ` Subash Abhinov Kasiviswanathan
2019-06-11 17:22 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-12 8:31 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-12 14:27 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-12 15:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-17 11:42 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-17 12:25 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 15:20 ` Alex Elder [this message]
2019-06-18 18:06 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-24 16:21 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-25 14:14 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-26 13:36 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-26 17:55 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 18:48 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-24 16:21 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-18 13:45 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-18 19:03 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 20:09 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-18 20:15 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 20:33 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-18 20:39 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 21:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-19 20:56 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-24 16:21 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-24 16:40 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-25 14:19 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-26 13:39 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-26 13:58 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-26 17:48 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-26 17:45 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-26 13:51 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-17 11:28 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 13:16 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-18 13:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-18 19:14 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 19:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-18 20:36 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 20:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-18 21:02 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 21:15 ` Subash Abhinov Kasiviswanathan
2019-06-19 12:23 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-06-19 18:47 ` Subash Abhinov Kasiviswanathan
2019-06-20 1:25 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-24 16:21 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-17 12:14 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-18 14:00 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-18 19:22 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-24 16:21 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-03 14:50 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-03 14:54 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-03 15:52 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-03 16:18 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-03 19:04 ` Subash Abhinov Kasiviswanathan
2019-06-04 15:21 ` Dan Williams
2019-05-31 23:27 ` Bjorn Andersson
2019-06-10 2:44 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-24 16:30 ` WWAN Controller Framework (was IPA [PATCH v2 00/17]) Alex Elder
2019-06-24 17:06 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-25 14:34 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-26 13:40 ` Alex Elder
2019-06-26 17:58 ` Johannes Berg
2019-06-24 19:54 ` Dan Williams
2019-06-24 21:16 ` Alex Elder
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