From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Nitesh Narayan Lal <nitesh@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
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lgoncalv@redhat.com, Dave Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Magnus Karlsson <magnus.karlsson@intel.com>,
Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 4/4] PCI: Limit pci_alloc_irq_vectors() to housekeeping CPUs
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:28:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <874kmm7jhp.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201021170224.55aea948@kicinski-fedora-pc1c0hjn.dhcp.thefacebook.com>
On Wed, Oct 21 2020 at 17:02, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 22:25:48 +0200 Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>> The right answer to this is to utilize managed interrupts and have
>> according logic in your network driver to handle CPU hotplug. When a CPU
>> goes down, then the queue which is associated to that CPU is quiesced
>> and the interrupt core shuts down the relevant interrupt instead of
>> moving it to an online CPU (which causes the whole vector exhaustion
>> problem on x86). When the CPU comes online again, then the interrupt is
>> reenabled in the core and the driver reactivates the queue.
>
> I think Mellanox folks made some forays into managed irqs, but I don't
> remember/can't find the details now.
>
> For networking the locality / queue per core does not always work,
> since the incoming traffic is usually spread based on a hash. Many
That makes it problematic and is fundamentally different from block I/O.
> applications perform better when network processing is done on a small
> subset of CPUs, and application doesn't get interrupted every 100us.
> So we do need extra user control here.
Ok.
> We have a bit of a uAPI problem since people had grown to depend on
> IRQ == queue == NAPI to configure their systems. "The right way" out
> would be a proper API which allows associating queues with CPUs rather
> than IRQs, then we can use managed IRQs and solve many other problems.
>
> Such new API has been in the works / discussions for a while now.
If there is anything which needs to be done/extended on the irq side
please let me know.
Thanks
tglx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-10-22 8:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-09-28 18:35 [PATCH v4 0/4] isolation: limit msix vectors to housekeeping CPUs Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-09-28 18:35 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] sched/isolation: API to get number of " Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-09-28 18:35 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] sched/isolation: Extend nohz_full to isolate managed IRQs Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-10-23 13:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 13:29 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-23 13:57 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-10-23 13:45 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-09-28 18:35 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] i40e: Limit msix vectors to housekeeping CPUs Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-09-28 18:35 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] PCI: Limit pci_alloc_irq_vectors() " Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-09-28 21:59 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2020-09-29 17:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-10-16 12:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-18 18:14 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-10-19 11:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-19 14:00 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-10-19 14:25 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-10-20 7:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-20 13:00 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-10-20 13:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-20 14:39 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-10-22 17:47 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-10-23 8:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-23 13:10 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-10-23 21:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-26 13:35 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-10-26 13:57 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-26 17:30 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-10-26 19:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-26 19:11 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-10-26 19:21 ` Jacob Keller
2020-10-26 20:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-26 21:11 ` Jacob Keller
2020-10-26 21:50 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-26 22:13 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-10-26 22:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-26 22:52 ` Jacob Keller
2020-10-26 22:22 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-10-26 22:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-26 23:08 ` Jacob Keller
2020-10-27 14:28 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-27 11:47 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-10-27 14:43 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-19 14:21 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-20 14:16 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-20 16:18 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-10-20 18:07 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-21 20:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-21 21:04 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-10-22 0:02 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-10-22 0:27 ` Jacob Keller
2020-10-22 8:28 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2020-10-22 12:28 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-10-22 22:39 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-01 15:49 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] isolation: limit msix vectors " Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-08 21:40 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
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