From: Alex Belits <abelits@marvell.com>
To: "frederic@kernel.org" <frederic@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [PATCH v4 03/13] task_isolation: userspace hard isolation from kernel
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:13:17 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <98978b81e7eda04c256c3d837c36a032f5d475fb.camel@marvell.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201006103541.GA31325@lothringen>
On Tue, 2020-10-06 at 12:35 +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 05, 2020 at 02:52:49PM -0400, Nitesh Narayan Lal wrote:
> > On 10/4/20 7:14 PM, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > On Sun, Oct 04, 2020 at 02:44:39PM +0000, Alex Belits wrote:
> > >
> > > > The idea behind this is that isolation breaking events are
> > > > supposed to
> > > > be known to the applications while applications run normally,
> > > > and they
> > > > should not require any analysis or human intervention to be
> > > > handled.
> > > Sure but you can use trace events for that. Just trace
> > > interrupts, workqueues,
> > > timers, syscalls, exceptions and scheduler events and you get all
> > > the local
> > > disturbance. You might want to tune a few filters but that's
> > > pretty much it.
>
> formation,
> > > you can trace the workqueue and timer queue events and just
> > > filter those that
> > > target your isolated CPUs.
> > >
> >
> > I agree that we can do all those things with tracing.
> > However, IMHO having a simplified logging mechanism to gather the
> > source of
> > violation may help in reducing the manual effort.
> >
> > Although, I am not sure how easy will it be to maintain such an
> > interface
> > over time.
>
> The thing is: tracing is your simplified logging mechanism here. You
> can achieve
> the same in userspace with _way_ less code, no race, and you can do
> it in
> bash.
The idea is that this mechanism should be usable when no one is there
to run things in bash, or no information about what might happen. It
should be able to report rare events in production when users may not
be able to reproduce them.
--
Alex
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-10-17 5:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-07-22 14:44 [PATCH v4 00/13] "Task_isolation" mode Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:47 ` [PATCH v4 01/13] task_isolation: vmstat: add quiet_vmstat_sync function Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:48 ` [PATCH v4 02/13] task_isolation: vmstat: add vmstat_idle function Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 03/13] task_isolation: userspace hard isolation from kernel Alex Belits
2020-10-01 13:56 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-04 14:44 ` [EXT] " Alex Belits
2020-10-04 23:14 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-05 18:52 ` Nitesh Narayan Lal
2020-10-06 10:35 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-17 1:13 ` Alex Belits [this message]
2020-10-17 1:08 ` Alex Belits
2020-10-17 16:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-17 16:15 ` Alex Belits
2020-10-17 20:03 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-06 11:01 ` Alex Belits
2020-10-01 14:40 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-04 15:01 ` [EXT] " Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:51 ` [PATCH v4 04/13] task_isolation: Add task isolation hooks to arch-independent code Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:51 ` [PATCH v4 05/13] task_isolation: Add xen-specific hook Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:53 ` [PATCH 06/13] task_isolation: Add driver-specific hooks Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:54 ` [PATCH v4 07/13] task_isolation: arch/x86: enable task isolation functionality Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:55 ` [PATCH 08/13] task_isolation: arch/arm64: " Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:56 ` [PATCH v4 09/13] task_isolation: arch/arm: " Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:57 ` [PATCH v4 10/13] task_isolation: don't interrupt CPUs with tick_nohz_full_kick_cpu() Alex Belits
2020-10-01 14:44 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-04 15:22 ` [EXT] " Alex Belits
2020-10-06 21:41 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-17 0:17 ` Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:58 ` [PATCH v4 11/13] task_isolation: net: don't flush backlog on CPUs running isolated tasks Alex Belits
2020-10-01 14:47 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-10-04 17:12 ` [EXT] " Alex Belits
2021-01-22 14:13 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2021-01-22 16:13 ` Paolo Abeni
2020-07-22 14:59 ` [PATCH v4 12/13] task_isolation: ringbuffer: don't interrupt CPUs running isolated tasks on buffer resize Alex Belits
2020-07-22 14:59 ` [PATCH 13/13] task_isolation: kick_all_cpus_sync: don't kick isolated cpus Alex Belits
2020-07-23 13:17 ` [PATCH v4 00/13] "Task_isolation" mode Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 14:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-23 14:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 14:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-23 15:41 ` [EXT] " Alex Belits
2020-07-23 15:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-23 16:19 ` Alex Belits
2020-07-23 15:18 ` Alex Belits
2020-07-23 15:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-23 16:50 ` Alex Belits
2020-07-23 21:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-24 3:00 ` [EXT] " Alex Belits
2020-07-24 16:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 21:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
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