From: Matt Corallo <netdev-list@mattcorallo.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Cc: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>, "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
Hideaki YOSHIFUJI <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>,
Keyu Man <kman001@ucr.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] Reduce IP_FRAG_TIME fragment-reassembly timeout to 1s, from 30s
Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 10:30:31 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9d2b9d8c-e1b7-af7b-e881-79d2c664aac7@bluematt.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f7d0a759-a8ab-2524-4939-095544d12913@bluematt.me>
At the risk of being obnoxious here - that's a "no" to reconsidering the tradeoffs picked 20 years ago?
I don't want to waste time if the answer is a complete "no", but if it isn't I'm happy to try to figure out what exactly
the right tradeoffs are here, and spend time implementing things.
Thanks,
Matt
On 4/30/21 14:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
> On 4/30/21 13:53, Matt Corallo wrote:
>>
>> Buffer bloat exists, but so do networks that will happily drop 1Mbps of packets. The first has always been true, the
>> second only more recently has become more and more common (both due to network speed and application behavior).
>
> It may be worth noting, to further highlight the tradeoffs made here - that, given a constant amount of memory allocated
> for fragment reassembly, *under* estimating the timeout will result in only loss of some % of packets which were
> reordered in excess of the timeout, whereas *over* estimating the timeout results in complete blackhole for up to the
> timeout in the face of material packet loss.
>
> This asymmetry is why I suggested possibly random eviction could be useful as a different set of trade-offs, but I'm
> certainly not qualified to make that determination.
>
> Thanks again for your time and consideration,
> Matt
prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-05-03 14:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-04-28 2:29 [PATCH net-next] Reduce IP_FRAG_TIME fragment-reassembly timeout to 1s, from 30s Matt Corallo
2021-04-28 12:20 ` Eric Dumazet
2021-04-28 14:09 ` Matt Corallo
2021-04-28 14:13 ` Willy Tarreau
2021-04-28 14:28 ` Matt Corallo
2021-04-28 15:38 ` Eric Dumazet
2021-04-28 16:35 ` Matt Corallo
[not found] ` <1baf048d-18e8-3e0c-feee-a01b381b0168@bluematt.me>
2021-04-30 17:09 ` Eric Dumazet
2021-04-30 17:42 ` Matt Corallo
2021-04-30 17:49 ` Eric Dumazet
2021-04-30 17:53 ` Matt Corallo
2021-04-30 18:04 ` Matt Corallo
2021-05-03 14:30 ` Matt Corallo [this message]
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