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Subject: Re: [PATCH 24/30] panic: Refactor the panic path
Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 15:16:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <TYAPR01MB6507D01F5694BC33628BB7DB95C69@TYAPR01MB6507.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220427224924.592546-25-gpiccoli@igalia.com>

Sorry for the delayed response. Unfortunately, I had 10 days holidays
until yesterday...

>  .../admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt         |  42 ++-
>  include/linux/panic_notifier.h                |   1 +
>  kernel/kexec_core.c                           |   8 +-
>  kernel/panic.c                                | 292 +++++++++++++-----
>  .../selftests/pstore/pstore_crash_test        |   5 +-
>  5 files changed, 252 insertions(+), 96 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> index 3f1cc5e317ed..8d3524060ce3 100644
> --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
...snip...
> @@ -3784,6 +3791,33 @@
>                         timeout < 0: reboot immediately
>                         Format: <timeout>
> 
> +       panic_notifiers_level=
> +                       [KNL] Set the panic notifiers execution order.
> +                       Format: <unsigned int>
> +                       We currently have 4 lists of panic notifiers; based
> +                       on the functionality and risk (for panic success) the
> +                       callbacks are added in a given list. The lists are:
> +                       - hypervisor/FW notification list (low risk);
> +                       - informational list (low/medium risk);
> +                       - pre_reboot list (higher risk);
> +                       - post_reboot list (only run late in panic and after
> +                       kdump, not configurable for now).
> +                       This parameter defines the ordering of the first 3
> +                       lists with regards to kdump; the levels determine
> +                       which set of notifiers execute before kdump. The
> +                       accepted levels are:
> +                       0: kdump is the first thing to run, NO list is
> +                       executed before kdump.
> +                       1: only the hypervisor list is executed before kdump.
> +                       2 (default level): the hypervisor list and (*if*

Hmmm, why are you trying to change default setting?

Based on the current design of kdump, it's natural to put what the
handlers for these level 1 and level 2 handlers do in
machine_crash_shutdown(), as these are necessary by default, right?

Or have you already tried that and figured out it's difficult in some
reason and reached the current design? If so, why is that difficult?
Could you point to if there is already such discussion online?

kdump is designed to perform as little things as possible before
transferring the execution to the 2nd kernel in order to increase
reliability. Just detour to panic() increases risks of kdump failure
in the sense of increasing the executed codes in the abnormal
situation, which is very the note in the explanation of
crash_kexec_post_notifiers.

Also, the current implementation of crash_kexec_post_notifiers uses
the panic notifier, but this is not from the technical
reason. Ideally, it should have been implemented in the context of
crash_kexec() independently of panic().

That is, it looks to me that, in addition to changing design of panic
notifier, you are trying to integrate shutdown code of the crash kexec
and the panic paths. If so, this is a big design change for kdump.
I'm concerned about increase of reliability. I'd like you to discuss
them carefully.

Thanks.
HATAYAMA, Daisuke


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-05-09 15:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 179+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-27 22:48 [PATCH 00/30] The panic notifiers refactor Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:48 ` [PATCH 01/30] x86/crash,reboot: Avoid re-disabling VMX in all CPUs on crash/restart Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 12:32   ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 15:52   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-05-10 20:11     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:48 ` [PATCH 02/30] ARM: kexec: Disable IRQs/FIQs also on crash CPUs shutdown path Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 16:26   ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-04-29 18:20   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-04-29 21:38     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 21:45       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-04-29 21:56         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 22:00         ` Marc Zyngier
2022-04-27 22:48 ` [PATCH 03/30] notifier: Add panic notifiers info and purge trailing whitespaces Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:48 ` [PATCH 04/30] firmware: google: Convert regular spinlock into trylock on panic path Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-03 18:03   ` Evan Green
2022-05-03 19:12     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-03 21:56       ` Evan Green
2022-05-04 12:45         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 11:38       ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-10 13:04         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 17:20         ` Steven Rostedt
2022-05-10 19:40           ` John Ogness
2022-05-11 11:13             ` Petr Mladek
2022-04-27 22:48 ` [PATCH 05/30] misc/pvpanic: " Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 12:14   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-10 13:00     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-17 10:58       ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-17 13:03         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 06/30] soc: bcm: brcmstb: Document panic notifier action and remove useless header Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-02 15:38   ` Florian Fainelli
2022-05-02 15:47     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 07/30] mips: ip22: Reword PANICED to PANICKED " Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-04 20:32   ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2022-05-04 21:26     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 08/30] powerpc/setup: Refactor/untangle panic notifiers Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-05 18:55   ` Hari Bathini
2022-05-05 19:28     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 12:50     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 13:53       ` Michael Ellerman
2022-05-10 14:10         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 09/30] coresight: cpu-debug: Replace mutex with mutex_trylock on panic notifier Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-28  8:11   ` Suzuki K Poulose
2022-04-29 14:01     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 13:09     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 16:14       ` Suzuki K Poulose
2022-05-09 16:26         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 10/30] alpha: Clean-up the panic notifier code Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 14:13   ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 14:16     ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-11 20:10       ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 11/30] um: Improve panic notifiers consistency and ordering Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 14:28   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-11 20:22     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-13 14:44       ` Johannes Berg
2022-05-15 22:12         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 12/30] parisc: Replace regular spinlock with spin_trylock on panic path Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-28 16:55   ` Helge Deller
2022-04-29 14:34     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-23 20:40     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 13/30] s390/consoles: Improve panic notifiers reliability Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 18:46   ` Heiko Carstens
2022-04-29 19:31     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 14/30] panic: Properly identify the panic event to the notifiers' callbacks Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 15:16   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-10 16:16     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-17 13:11       ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-17 15:19         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 15/30] bus: brcmstb_gisb: Clean-up panic/die notifiers Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-02 15:38   ` Florian Fainelli
2022-05-02 15:50     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 15:28   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-17 15:32     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 16/30] drivers/hv/vmbus, video/hyperv_fb: Untangle and refactor Hyper-V panic notifiers Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 17:16   ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-04-29 22:35     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-03 18:13       ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-05-03 18:57         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 17/30] tracing: Improve panic/die notifiers Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29  9:22   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2022-04-29 13:23     ` Steven Rostedt
2022-04-29 13:46       ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 13:56         ` Steven Rostedt
2022-04-29 14:44           ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-11 11:45   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-17 15:33     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 18/30] notifier: Show function names on notifier routines if DEBUG_NOTIFIERS is set Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-28  1:01   ` Xiaoming Ni
2022-04-29 19:38     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 17:29     ` Steven Rostedt
2022-05-16 16:14       ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 16:27   ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 19/30] panic: Add the panic hypervisor notifier list Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 17:30   ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-04-29 18:04     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-03 17:44       ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-05-03 17:56         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 14:01   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-16 15:06     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 16:02       ` Evan Green
2022-05-17 13:28         ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-17 16:37           ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-18  7:33             ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-18 13:24               ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-17 13:57       ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-17 16:42         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-18  7:38           ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-18 13:09             ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-18 22:17           ` Scott Branden
2022-05-19 12:19             ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-19 19:20               ` Scott Branden
2022-05-23 14:56                 ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-24  8:04                   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-18  7:58         ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-18 13:16           ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-19  7:03             ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-19 12:07               ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 20/30] panic: Add the panic informational " Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 23:49   ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-04-28  8:14   ` Suzuki K Poulose
2022-04-29 14:50     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 14:11   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-16 14:28     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 21/30] panic: Introduce the panic pre-reboot " Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-28 14:13   ` Alex Elder
2022-04-28 16:26   ` Corey Minyard
2022-04-29 15:18     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 16:04   ` Max Filippov
2022-04-29 19:34     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 14:33   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-16 16:05     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 16:18       ` Luck, Tony
2022-05-16 16:33         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-17 14:11           ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-17 16:45             ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-17 17:02               ` Luck, Tony
2022-05-17 18:12                 ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-17 19:07                   ` Luck, Tony
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 22/30] panic: Introduce the panic post-reboot " Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 14:16   ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-11 16:45     ` Heiko Carstens
2022-05-11 19:58       ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 14:45   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-16 16:08     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 23/30] printk: kmsg_dump: Introduce helper to inform number of dumpers Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-10 17:40   ` Steven Rostedt
2022-05-11 20:03     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 14:50       ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-16 16:09         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 24/30] panic: Refactor the panic path Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-28  0:28   ` Randy Dunlap
2022-04-29 16:04     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 14:25       ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-29 17:53   ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-04-29 20:38     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-03 17:31       ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-05-03 18:06         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-09 15:16   ` d.hatayama [this message]
2022-05-09 16:39     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-12 14:03   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-15 22:47     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 10:21       ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-16 16:32         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-19 23:45       ` Baoquan He
2022-05-20 11:23         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-24  8:01           ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-24 10:18             ` Baoquan He
2022-05-24  8:32           ` Baoquan He
2022-05-24 14:44   ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-05-26 16:25     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-06-14 14:36       ` Petr Mladek
2022-06-15  9:36         ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 25/30] panic, printk: Add console flush parameter and convert panic_print to a notifier Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-05-16 14:56   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-16 16:11     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 26/30] Drivers: hv: Do not force all panic notifiers to execute before kdump Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 27/30] powerpc: " Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 28/30] panic: Unexport crash_kexec_post_notifiers Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 29/30] powerpc: ps3, pseries: Avoid duplicate call to kmsg_dump() on panic Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-04-27 22:49 ` [PATCH 30/30] um: Avoid duplicate call to kmsg_dump() Guilherme G. Piccoli

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