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From: David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	"gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@nvidia.com>,
	"dledford@redhat.com" <dledford@redhat.com>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leonro@nvidia.com>,
	Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	"kuba@kernel.org" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"davem@davemloft.net" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Vu Pham <vuhuong@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 03/13] devlink: Support add and delete devlink port
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 12:36:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ac0c5a69-06e4-3809-c778-b27d6e437ed5@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201118183830.GA917484@nvidia.com>

On 11/18/20 11:38 AM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 11:03:24AM -0700, David Ahern wrote:
> 
>> With Connectx-4 Lx for example the netdev can have at most 63 queues
> 
> What netdev calls a queue is really a "can the device deliver
> interrupts and packets to a given per-CPU queue" and covers a whole
> spectrum of smaller limits like RSS scheme, # of available interrupts,
> ability of the device to create queues, etc.
> 
> CX4Lx can create a huge number of queues, but hits one of these limits
> that mean netdev's specific usage can't scale up. Other stuff like
> RDMA doesn't have the same limits, and has tonnes of queues.
> 
> What seems to be needed is a resource controller concept like cgroup
> has for processes. The system is really organized into a tree:
> 
>            physical device
>               mlx5_core
>         /      |      \      \                        (aux bus)
>      netdev   rdma    vdpa   SF  etc
>                              |                        (aux bus)
>                            mlx5_core
>                           /      \                    (aux bus)
>                        netdev   vdpa
> 
> And it does make a lot of sense to start to talk about limits at each
> tree level.
> 
> eg the top of the tree may have 128 physical interrupts. With 128 CPU
> cores that isn't enough interrupts to support all of those things
> concurrently.
> 
> So the user may want to configure:
>  - The first level netdev only gets 64,
>  - 3rd level mlx5_core gets 32 
>  - Final level vdpa gets 8
> 
> Other stuff has to fight it out with the remaining shared interrupts.
> 
> In netdev land # of interrupts governs # of queues
> 
> For RDMA # of interrupts limits the CPU affinities for queues
> 
> VPDA limits the # of VMs that can use VT-d
> 
> The same story repeats for other less general resources, mlx5 also
> has consumption of limited BAR space, and consumption of some limited
> memory elements. These numbers are much bigger and may not need
> explicit governing, but the general concept holds.
> 
> It would be very nice if the limit could be injected when the aux
> device is created but before the driver is bound. I'm not sure how to
> manage that though..
> 
> I assume other devices will be different, maybe some devices have a
> limit on the number of total queues, or a limit on the number of
> VDPA or RDMA devices.
> 
> Jason
> 

A lot of low level resource details that need to be summarized into a
nicer user / config perspective to specify limits / allocations.

Thanks for the detailed response.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-18 19:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-12 19:24 [PATCH net-next 00/13] Add mlx5 subfunction support Parav Pandit
2020-11-12 19:24 ` [PATCH net-next 01/13] devlink: Prepare code to fill multiple port function attributes Parav Pandit
2020-11-12 19:24 ` [PATCH net-next 02/13] devlink: Introduce PCI SF port flavour and port attribute Parav Pandit
2020-11-12 19:24 ` [PATCH net-next 03/13] devlink: Support add and delete devlink port Parav Pandit
2020-11-18 16:21   ` David Ahern
2020-11-18 17:02     ` Parav Pandit
2020-11-18 18:03       ` David Ahern
2020-11-18 18:38         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-11-18 19:36           ` David Ahern [this message]
2020-11-18 20:42             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-11-18 19:22         ` Parav Pandit
2020-11-19  0:41           ` Jacob Keller
2020-11-19  1:17             ` David Ahern
2020-11-19  1:56               ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2020-11-19  0:52       ` Jacob Keller
2020-11-12 19:24 ` [PATCH net-next 04/13] devlink: Support get and set state of port function Parav Pandit
2020-11-12 19:24 ` [PATCH net-next 05/13] devlink: Avoid global devlink mutex, use per instance reload lock Parav Pandit
2020-11-12 19:24 ` [PATCH net-next 06/13] devlink: Introduce devlink refcount to reduce scope of global devlink_mutex Parav Pandit
2020-11-12 19:24 ` [PATCH net-next 07/13] net/mlx5: SF, Add auxiliary device support Parav Pandit
2020-12-07  2:48   ` David Ahern
2020-12-07  4:53     ` Parav Pandit
2020-11-12 19:24 ` [PATCH net-next 08/13] net/mlx5: SF, Add auxiliary device driver Parav Pandit
2020-11-12 19:24 ` [PATCH net-next 09/13] net/mlx5: E-switch, Prepare eswitch to handle SF vport Parav Pandit
2020-11-12 19:24 ` [PATCH net-next 10/13] net/mlx5: E-switch, Add eswitch helpers for " Parav Pandit
2020-11-12 19:24 ` [PATCH net-next 11/13] net/mlx5: SF, Add SF configuration hardware commands Parav Pandit
2020-11-12 19:24 ` [PATCH net-next 12/13] net/mlx5: SF, Add port add delete functionality Parav Pandit
2020-11-12 19:24 ` [PATCH net-next 13/13] net/mlx5: SF, Port function state change support Parav Pandit
2020-11-16 22:52 ` [PATCH net-next 00/13] Add mlx5 subfunction support Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-17  0:06   ` Saeed Mahameed
2020-11-17  1:58     ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-17  4:08       ` Parav Pandit
2020-11-17 17:11         ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-17 18:49           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-11-19  2:14             ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-19  4:35               ` David Ahern
2020-11-19  5:57                 ` Saeed Mahameed
2020-11-20  1:31                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-25  5:33                   ` David Ahern
2020-11-25  6:00                     ` Parav Pandit
2020-11-25 14:37                       ` David Ahern
2020-11-20  1:29                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-20 17:58                   ` Alexander Duyck
2020-11-20 19:04                     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2020-11-23 21:51                       ` Saeed Mahameed
2020-11-24  7:01                       ` Jason Wang
2020-11-24  7:05                         ` Jason Wang
2020-11-19  6:12               ` Saeed Mahameed
2020-11-19  8:25                 ` Parav Pandit
2020-11-20  1:35                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-20  3:34                   ` Parav Pandit
2020-11-17 18:50           ` Parav Pandit
2020-11-19  2:23             ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-19  6:22               ` Saeed Mahameed
2020-11-19 14:00                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-11-20  3:35                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-20  3:50                     ` Parav Pandit
2020-11-20 16:16                     ` Jason Gunthorpe

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