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From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <jbrouer@redhat.com>
To: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>, bpf@vger.kernel.org
Cc: brouer@redhat.com, ast@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net,
	andrii@kernel.org, martin.lau@linux.dev, song@kernel.org,
	yhs@fb.com, john.fastabend@gmail.com, kpsingh@kernel.org,
	haoluo@google.com, jolsa@kernel.org,
	David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>,
	Anatoly Burakov <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>,
	Alexander Lobakin <alexandr.lobakin@intel.com>,
	Magnus Karlsson <magnus.karlsson@gmail.com>,
	Maryam Tahhan <mtahhan@redhat.com>,
	xdp-hints@xdp-project.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	David Vernet <void@manifault.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v7 01/17] bpf: Document XDP RX metadata
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 14:09:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <affeb1e3-69e6-9783-0012-6d917972ba30@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230112003230.3779451-2-sdf@google.com>



On 12/01/2023 01.32, Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
> Document all current use-cases and assumptions.
> 
> Cc: John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>
> Cc: David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>
> Cc: Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>
> Cc: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
> Cc: Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>
> Cc: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>
> Cc: Anatoly Burakov <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>
> Cc: Alexander Lobakin <alexandr.lobakin@intel.com>
> Cc: Magnus Karlsson <magnus.karlsson@gmail.com>
> Cc: Maryam Tahhan <mtahhan@redhat.com>
> Cc: xdp-hints@xdp-project.net
> Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org
> Acked-by: David Vernet <void@manifault.com>
> Signed-off-by: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>
> ---
>   Documentation/networking/index.rst           |   1 +
>   Documentation/networking/xdp-rx-metadata.rst | 108 +++++++++++++++++++
>   2 files changed, 109 insertions(+)
>   create mode 100644 Documentation/networking/xdp-rx-metadata.rst
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/networking/index.rst b/Documentation/networking/index.rst
> index 4f2d1f682a18..4ddcae33c336 100644
> --- a/Documentation/networking/index.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/networking/index.rst
> @@ -120,6 +120,7 @@ Refer to :ref:`netdev-FAQ` for a guide on netdev development process specifics.
>      xfrm_proc
>      xfrm_sync
>      xfrm_sysctl
> +   xdp-rx-metadata
>   
>   .. only::  subproject and html
>   
> diff --git a/Documentation/networking/xdp-rx-metadata.rst b/Documentation/networking/xdp-rx-metadata.rst
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..b6c8c77937c4
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/networking/xdp-rx-metadata.rst
> @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@
> +===============
> +XDP RX Metadata
> +===============
> +
> +This document describes how an eXpress Data Path (XDP) program can access
> +hardware metadata related to a packet using a set of helper functions,
> +and how it can pass that metadata on to other consumers.
> +
> +General Design
> +==============
> +
> +XDP has access to a set of kfuncs to manipulate the metadata in an XDP frame.
> +Every device driver that wishes to expose additional packet metadata can
> +implement these kfuncs. The set of kfuncs is declared in ``include/net/xdp.h``
> +via ``XDP_METADATA_KFUNC_xxx``.
> +
> +Currently, the following kfuncs are supported. In the future, as more
> +metadata is supported, this set will grow:
> +
> +.. kernel-doc:: net/core/xdp.c
> +   :identifiers: bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_timestamp bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_hash
> +
> +An XDP program can use these kfuncs to read the metadata into stack
> +variables for its own consumption. Or, to pass the metadata on to other
> +consumers, an XDP program can store it into the metadata area carried
> +ahead of the packet.
> +
> +Not all kfuncs have to be implemented by the device driver; when not
> +implemented, the default ones that return ``-EOPNOTSUPP`` will be used.
> +
> +Within an XDP frame, the metadata layout is as follows::

Below diagram describes XDP buff (xdp_buff), but text says 'XDP frame'.
So XDP frame isn't referring literally to xdp_frame, which I find 
slightly confusing.
It is likely because I think too much about the code and the different 
objects, xdp_frame, xdp_buff, xdp_md (xdp ctx seen be bpf-prog).

I tried to grep in the (recent added) bpf/xdp docs to see if there is a
definition of a XDP "packet" or "frame".  Nothing popped up, except that
Documentation/bpf/map_cpumap.rst talks about raw ``xdp_frame`` objects.

Perhaps we can improve this doc by calling out xdp_buff here, like:

  Within an XDP frame, the metadata layout (accessed via ``xdp_buff``) 
is as follows::

> +
> +  +----------+-----------------+------+
> +  | headroom | custom metadata | data |
> +  +----------+-----------------+------+
> +             ^                 ^
> +             |                 |
> +   xdp_buff->data_meta   xdp_buff->data
> +
> +An XDP program can store individual metadata items into this ``data_meta``
> +area in whichever format it chooses. Later consumers of the metadata
> +will have to agree on the format by some out of band contract (like for
> +the AF_XDP use case, see below).
> +
> +AF_XDP
> +======
> +
> +:doc:`af_xdp` use-case implies that there is a contract between the BPF
> +program that redirects XDP frames into the ``AF_XDP`` socket (``XSK``) and
> +the final consumer. Thus the BPF program manually allocates a fixed number of
> +bytes out of metadata via ``bpf_xdp_adjust_meta`` and calls a subset
> +of kfuncs to populate it. The userspace ``XSK`` consumer computes
> +``xsk_umem__get_data() - METADATA_SIZE`` to locate that metadata.
> +Note, ``xsk_umem__get_data`` is defined in ``libxdp`` and
> +``METADATA_SIZE`` is an application-specific constant.

The main problem with AF_XDP and metadata is that, the AF_XDP descriptor
doesn't contain any info about the length METADATA_SIZE.

The text does says this, but in a very convoluted way.
I think this challenge should be more clearly spelled out.

(p.s. This was something that XDP-hints via BTF have a proposed solution 
for)

> +
> +Here is the ``AF_XDP`` consumer layout (note missing ``data_meta`` pointer)::

The "note" also hint to this issue.

> +
> +  +----------+-----------------+------+
> +  | headroom | custom metadata | data |
> +  +----------+-----------------+------+
> +                               ^
> +                               |
> +                        rx_desc->address
> +
> +XDP_PASS
> +========
> +
> +This is the path where the packets processed by the XDP program are passed
> +into the kernel. The kernel creates the ``skb`` out of the ``xdp_buff``
> +contents. Currently, every driver has custom kernel code to parse
> +the descriptors and populate ``skb`` metadata when doing this ``xdp_buff->skb``
> +conversion, and the XDP metadata is not used by the kernel when building
> +``skbs``. However, TC-BPF programs can access the XDP metadata area using
> +the ``data_meta`` pointer.
> +
> +In the future, we'd like to support a case where an XDP program
> +can override some of the metadata used for building ``skbs``.

Happy this is mentioned as future work.

> +
> +bpf_redirect_map
> +================
> +
> +``bpf_redirect_map`` can redirect the frame to a different device.
> +Some devices (like virtual ethernet links) support running a second XDP
> +program after the redirect. However, the final consumer doesn't have
> +access to the original hardware descriptor and can't access any of
> +the original metadata. The same applies to XDP programs installed
> +into devmaps and cpumaps.
> +
> +This means that for redirected packets only custom metadata is
> +currently supported, which has to be prepared by the initial XDP program
> +before redirect. If the frame is eventually passed to the kernel, the
> +``skb`` created from such a frame won't have any hardware metadata populated
> +in its ``skb``. If such a packet is later redirected into an ``XSK``,
> +that will also only have access to the custom metadata.
> +

Good that this is documented, but I hope we can fix/improve this as
future work.

> +bpf_tail_call
> +=============
> +
> +Adding programs that access metadata kfuncs to the ``BPF_MAP_TYPE_PROG_ARRAY``
> +is currently not supported.
> +
> +Example
> +=======
> +
> +See ``tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/xdp_metadata.c`` and
> +``tools/testing/selftests/bpf/prog_tests/xdp_metadata.c`` for an example of
> +BPF program that handles XDP metadata.


--Jesper


  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-16 13:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-12  0:32 [PATCH bpf-next v7 00/17] xdp: hints via kfuncs Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 01/17] bpf: Document XDP RX metadata Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-16 13:09   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer [this message]
2023-01-17 20:33     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-18 14:28       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-01-18 17:55         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 02/17] bpf: Rename bpf_{prog,map}_is_dev_bound to is_offloaded Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 03/17] bpf: Move offload initialization into late_initcall Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 04/17] bpf: Reshuffle some parts of bpf/offload.c Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 05/17] bpf: Introduce device-bound XDP programs Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 06/17] selftests/bpf: Update expected test_offload.py messages Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 07/17] bpf: XDP metadata RX kfuncs Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 09/17] veth: Introduce veth_xdp_buff wrapper for xdp_buff Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 10/17] veth: Support RX XDP metadata Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-16 16:21   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-01-17 20:33     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-18 15:57       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 11/17] selftests/bpf: Verify xdp_metadata xdp->af_xdp path Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 12/17] net/mlx4_en: Introduce wrapper for xdp_buff Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 13/17] net/mlx4_en: Support RX XDP metadata Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 14/17] xsk: Add cb area to struct xdp_buff_xsk Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 15/17] net/mlx5e: Introduce wrapper for xdp_buff Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  8:07   ` Tariq Toukan
2023-01-12 19:10     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12 21:09       ` [xdp-hints] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-01-12 21:55         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-01-12 22:18           ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12 22:29             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-01-13 20:55               ` Tariq Toukan
2023-01-13 20:53           ` Tariq Toukan
2023-01-13 21:31             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-01-15  6:59               ` Tariq Toukan
2023-01-15 11:13                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 16/17] net/mlx5e: Support RX XDP metadata Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  8:13   ` Tariq Toukan
2023-01-12 19:09     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-13 20:25       ` Tariq Toukan
2023-01-12  0:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 17/17] selftests/bpf: Simple program to dump XDP RX metadata Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12  7:29 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 00/17] xdp: hints via kfuncs Martin KaFai Lau
2023-01-12  8:19   ` Tariq Toukan
2023-01-12 18:09     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-12 18:20       ` Martin KaFai Lau

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