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From: Hajime Tazaki <tazaki@sfc.wide.ad.jp>
To: richard@nod.at
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, arnd@arndb.de, corbet@lwn.net,
	cl@linux.com, penberg@kernel.org, rientjes@google.com,
	iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, jdike@addtoit.com,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, mathieu.lacage@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/11] an introduction of library operating system for Linux (LibOS)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 23:25:28 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2twxacw13.wl@sfc.wide.ad.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <551164ED.5000907@nod.at>


Hi,

thanks for your comment.

At Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:21:49 +0100,
Richard Weinberger wrote:
> 
> Am 24.03.2015 um 14:10 schrieb Hajime Tazaki:
>  > == More information ==
> > 
> > The crucial difference between UML (user-mode linux) and this approach
> > is that we allow multiple network stack instances to co-exist within a
> > single process with dlmopen(3) like linking for easy debugging.
> 
> Is this the only difference?
> We already have arch/um, why do you need arch/lib/ then?
> My point is, can't you merge your arch/lib into the existing arch/um stuff?
> From a very rough look your arch/lib seems like a micro UML.

I understand your point.
but ptrace(2) based system call interception used by UML
makes it depend on the host OS (i.e., linux kernel), while
LibOS uses symbol hijacking with weak alias and LD_PRELOAD.

we're really thinking to run this library on other
POSIX-like hosts (e.g., osx) though it's not coming yet.

> BTW: There was already an idea for having UML as regular library.
> See: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/old/projects.html
> "UML as a normal userspace library"

thanks, it's new information for me.
were there any trial on this idea ?

-- Hajime

  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-24 14:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-24 13:10 [RFC PATCH 00/11] an introduction of library operating system for Linux (LibOS) Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 01/11] sysctl: make some functions unstatic to access by arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 16:13   ` Joe Perches
2015-03-25 15:31     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 02/11] slab: add private memory allocator header for arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 03/11] lib: public headers and API implementations for userspace programs Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 04/11] lib: memory management (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 05/11] lib: time handling " Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 06/11] lib: context and scheduling " Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 07/11] lib: sysctl " Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 08/11] lib: other kernel glue layer code Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-29 18:17   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-31  7:36     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-03  1:24       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 09/11] lib: asm-generic files Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 10/11] lib: libos build scripts and documentation Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 11/11] lib: tools used for test scripts Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 00/11] an introduction of library operating system for Linux (LibOS) Richard Weinberger
2015-03-24 14:25   ` Hajime Tazaki [this message]
2015-03-24 14:32     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-24 15:24       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 15:27         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-25 14:48           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-25 22:50             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-26 16:24               ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-26 18:55                 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-27  3:31                   ` Rusty Russell
2015-03-27  3:49                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-03-27  5:52                       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-27  6:05                     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-27  6:34                   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-27  9:21                     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-27 15:17                       ` Antti Kantee
2015-03-28 21:17                         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-29 15:36                           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-29 16:47                             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-29 16:59                           ` Antti Kantee
2015-03-29 18:05                             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-29 15:06                       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-30  6:41                         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-31  7:47                           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-09  8:36                             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-14  3:20                               ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-01  1:29                         ` Rusty Russell
2015-04-03  1:43                           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-07  1:25                             ` Rusty Russell
2015-04-17  9:36 ` [RFC PATCH v2 " Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/11] sysctl: make some functions unstatic to access by arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/11] slab: add private memory allocator header for arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17 12:17     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-17 12:44       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-17 15:02         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17 15:08           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-17 15:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17 22:26             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/11] lib: public headers and API implementations for userspace programs Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/11] lib: memory management (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/11] lib: time handling " Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/11] lib: context and scheduling " Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/11] lib: sysctl " Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/11] lib: other kernel glue layer code Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/11] lib: asm-generic files Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/11] lib: libos build scripts and documentation Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/11] lib: tools used for test scripts Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28   ` [RFC PATCH v3 00/10] an introduction of library operating system for Linux (LibOS) Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/10] sysctl: make some functions unstatic to access by arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/10] slab: add SLIB (Library memory allocator) for arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/10] lib: public headers and API implementations for userspace programs Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/10] lib: time handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/10] lib: context and scheduling functions (kernel glue code) for libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/10] lib: sysctl handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/10] lib: other kernel glue layer code Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/10] lib: auxially files for auto-generated asm-generic files of libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/10] lib: libos build scripts and documentation Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-20 20:43       ` Paul Bolle
2015-04-22  5:33         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/10] lib: tools used for test scripts Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-24  7:40     ` [RFC PATCH v3 00/10] an introduction of library operating system for Linux (LibOS) Richard Weinberger
2015-04-24  8:22       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-24  8:59         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-24  9:50           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00     ` [PATCH v4 00/10] an introduction of Linux library operating system (LibOS) Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 01/10] sysctl: make some functions unstatic to access by arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 02/10] slab: add SLIB (Library memory allocator) for arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 03/10] lib: public headers and API implementations for userspace programs Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 04/10] lib: time handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 05/10] lib: context and scheduling functions (kernel glue code) for libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 06/10] lib: sysctl handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 07/10] lib: other kernel glue layer code Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 08/10] lib: auxially files for auto-generated asm-generic files of libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 09/10] lib: libos build scripts and documentation Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 10/10] lib: tools used for test scripts Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  7:29       ` [PATCH v4 00/10] an introduction of Linux library operating system (LibOS) Richard Weinberger
2015-04-27  7:39         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 23:16           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28       ` [PATCH v5 " Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 01/10] sysctl: make some functions unstatic to access by arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 02/10] slab: add SLIB (Library memory allocator) for arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 03/10] lib: public headers and API implementations for userspace programs Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 04/10] lib: time handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 05/10] lib: context and scheduling functions (kernel glue code) for libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 06/10] lib: sysctl handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 07/10] lib: other kernel glue layer code Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 08/10] lib: auxiliary files for auto-generated asm-generic files of libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 09/10] lib: libos build scripts and documentation Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 10/10] lib: tools used for test scripts Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16         ` [PATCH v6 00/10] an introduction of Linux library operating system (LibOS) Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 01/10] sysctl: make some functions unstatic to access by arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 02/10] slab: add SLIB (Library memory allocator) for arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 03/10] lib: public headers and API implementations for userspace programs Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 04/10] lib: time handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 05/10] lib: context and scheduling functions (kernel glue code) for libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 06/10] lib: sysctl handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 07/10] lib: other kernel glue layer code Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 08/10] lib: auxiliary files for auto-generated asm-generic files of libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 09/10] lib: libos build scripts and documentation Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 10/10] lib: tools used for test scripts Hajime Tazaki

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