From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=3.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF4BC10DCE for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 16:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5392A20746 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 16:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=redhat.com header.i=@redhat.com header.b="VKd6E1M7" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727036AbgCMQpw (ORCPT ); Fri, 13 Mar 2020 12:45:52 -0400 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-1.mimecast.com ([205.139.110.120]:54876 "EHLO us-smtp-1.mimecast.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727020AbgCMQpu (ORCPT ); Fri, 13 Mar 2020 12:45:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1584117949; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=2NGcze98cXWYCmagpEsgCSEsYGqJZVyFshEV55Z7Gjs=; b=VKd6E1M7t7zGN4iMwi02GCO09cWrixYuuiyYfcKGHlhu5oZ9+pLUUFRTitHpJ8Z03uOivl BghO0J7/Ndxlp1JUaQgNRXWMJftpB/puibD7/lkZgh+mX5/4LO9ClS6s7Ld4C/M22jNgZw +eP7O1C5r3vStKI7T/BXCxOJjeJttgQ= Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-86-CzQAHedQM_2jEHV0CsdCFg-1; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 12:45:42 -0400 X-MC-Unique: CzQAHedQM_2jEHV0CsdCFg-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx06.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61380101FC68; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 16:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from x2.localnet (ovpn-117-60.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.117.60]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C565C1BB; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 16:45:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Steve Grubb To: Paul Moore Cc: Richard Guy Briggs , linux-audit@redhat.com, nhorman@tuxdriver.com, linux-api@vger.kernel.org, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, LKML , dhowells@redhat.com, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, ebiederm@xmission.com, simo@redhat.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Eric Paris , mpatel@redhat.com, Serge Hallyn Subject: Re: [PATCH ghak90 V8 07/16] audit: add contid support for signalling the audit daemon Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 12:45:29 -0400 Message-ID: <2588582.z15pWOfGEt@x2> Organization: Red Hat In-Reply-To: References: <20200312202733.7kli64zsnqc4mrd2@madcap2.tricolour.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.16 Sender: netfilter-devel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org On Friday, March 13, 2020 12:42:15 PM EDT Paul Moore wrote: > > I think more and more, that more complete isolation is being done, > > taking advantage of each type of namespace as they become available, but > > I know a nuber of them didn't find it important yet to use IPC, PID or > > user namespaces which would be the only namespaces I can think of that > > would provide that isolation. > > > > It isn't entirely clear to me which side you fall on this issue, Paul. > > That's mostly because I was hoping for some clarification in the > discussion, especially the relevant certification requirements, but it > looks like there is still plenty of room for interpretation there (as > usual). I'd much rather us arrive at decisions based on requirements > and not gut feelings, which is where I think we are at right now. Certification rquirements are that we need the identity of anyone attempting to modify the audit configuration including shutting it down. -Steve