From: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
To: Dan Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>
Cc: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com>,
Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com>,
Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
Linux-Audit Mailing List <linux-audit@redhat.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org,
omosnace@redhat.com, dhowells@redhat.com, simo@redhat.com,
Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>,
Serge Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com>,
ebiederm@xmission.com, Mrunal Patel <mpatel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH ghak90 V6 00/10] audit: implement container identifier
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 10:33:03 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHC9VhRWXfYhCA-x+U3STw2FO+wqQ1EFx1wA_zoQVisuqR4oYw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9a9ccb28-3cbc-c0b1-71b2-26df08105b4a@redhat.com>
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:07 AM Daniel Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 5/29/19 9:17 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
> > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 8:03 AM Daniel Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com> wrote:
> >> On 5/28/19 8:43 PM, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
> >>> On 2019-05-28 19:00, Steve Grubb wrote:
> >>>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 6:26:47 PM EDT Paul Moore wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 5:54 PM Daniel Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 4/22/19 9:49 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 7:38 AM Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 11:39:07PM -0400, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Implement kernel audit container identifier.
> >>>>>>>> I'm sorry, I've lost track of this, where have we landed on it? Are we
> >>>>>>>> good for inclusion?
> >>>>>>> I haven't finished going through this latest revision, but unless
> >>>>>>> Richard made any significant changes outside of the feedback from the
> >>>>>>> v5 patchset I'm guessing we are "close".
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Based on discussions Richard and I had some time ago, I have always
> >>>>>>> envisioned the plan as being get the kernel patchset, tests, docs
> >>>>>>> ready (which Richard has been doing) and then run the actual
> >>>>>>> implemented API by the userland container folks, e.g. cri-o/lxc/etc.,
> >>>>>>> to make sure the actual implementation is sane from their perspective.
> >>>>>>> They've already seen the design, so I'm not expecting any real
> >>>>>>> surprises here, but sometimes opinions change when they have actual
> >>>>>>> code in front of them to play with and review.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Beyond that, while the cri-o/lxc/etc. folks are looking it over,
> >>>>>>> whatever additional testing we can do would be a big win. I'm
> >>>>>>> thinking I'll pull it into a separate branch in the audit tree
> >>>>>>> (audit/working-container ?) and include that in my secnext kernels
> >>>>>>> that I build/test on a regular basis; this is also a handy way to keep
> >>>>>>> it based against the current audit/next branch. If any changes are
> >>>>>>> needed Richard can either chose to base those changes on audit/next or
> >>>>>>> the separate audit container ID branch; that's up to him. I've done
> >>>>>>> this with other big changes in other trees, e.g. SELinux, and it has
> >>>>>>> worked well to get some extra testing in and keep the patchset "merge
> >>>>>>> ready" while others outside the subsystem look things over.
> >>>>>> Mrunal Patel (maintainer of CRI-O) and I have reviewed the API, and
> >>>>>> believe this is something we can work on in the container runtimes team
> >>>>>> to implement the container auditing code in CRI-O and Podman.
> >>>>> Thanks Dan. If I pulled this into a branch and built you some test
> >>>>> kernels to play with, any idea how long it might take to get a proof
> >>>>> of concept working on the cri-o side?
> >>>> We'd need to merge user space patches and let them use that instead of the
> >>>> raw interface. I'm not going to merge user space until we are pretty sure the
> >>>> patch is going into the kernel.
> >>> I have an f29 test rpm of the userspace bits if that helps for testing:
> >>> http://people.redhat.com/~rbriggs/ghak90/git-1db7e21/
> >>>
> >>> Here's what it contains (minus the last patch):
> >>> https://github.com/linux-audit/audit-userspace/compare/master...rgbriggs:ghau40-containerid-filter.v7.0
> >>>
> >>>> -Steve
> >>>>
> >>>>> FWIW, I've also reached out to some of the LXC folks I know to get
> >>>>> their take on the API. I think if we can get two different container
> >>>>> runtimes to give the API a thumbs-up then I think we are in good shape
> >>>>> with respect to the userspace interface.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I just finished looking over the last of the pending audit kernel
> >>>>> patches that were queued waiting for the merge window to open so this
> >>>>> is next on my list to look at. I plan to start doing that
> >>>>> tonight/tomorrow, and as long as the changes between v5/v6 are not
> >>>>> that big, it shouldn't take too long.
> >>> - RGB
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com>
> >>> Sr. S/W Engineer, Kernel Security, Base Operating Systems
> >>> Remote, Ottawa, Red Hat Canada
> >>> IRC: rgb, SunRaycer
> >>> Voice: +1.647.777.2635, Internal: (81) 32635
> >> Our current thoughts are to put the setting of the ID inside of conmon,
> >> and then launching the OCI Runtime. In a perfect world this would
> >> happen in the OCI Runtime, but we have no controls over different OCI
> >> Runtimes.
> >>
> >> By putting it into conmon, then CRI-O and Podman will automatically get
> >> the container id support. After we have this we have to plumb it back
> >> up through the contianer engines to be able to easily report the link
> >> between the Container UUID and The Kernel Container Audit ID.
> > I'm glad you guys have a plan, that's encouraging, but sadly I have no
> > idea about the level of complexity/difficulty involved in modifying
> > the various container bits for a proof-of-concept? Are we talking a
> > week or two? A month? More?
> >
> If we had the kernel and the libaudit api, it would involve a small
> effort in conmon, I would figure a few days for a POC. Getting the
> hole wiring into CRI-O and Podman, would be a little more effort.
That's great. Stay tuned ...
--
paul moore
www.paul-moore.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-05-29 14:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-04-09 3:39 [PATCH ghak90 V6 00/10] audit: implement container identifier Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 01/10] audit: collect audit task parameters Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 02/10] audit: add container id Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 14:57 ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-29 15:29 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 15:34 ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-29 16:03 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 22:28 ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-29 22:39 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 17:09 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2019-05-30 19:29 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 21:29 ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-30 23:26 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-31 0:20 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-31 12:44 ` Paul Moore
2019-06-03 20:24 ` Steve Grubb
2019-06-18 22:12 ` Paul Moore
2019-06-18 22:46 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-08 18:12 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-08 20:43 ` Paul Moore
2019-07-15 21:09 ` Paul Moore
2019-07-16 15:37 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-16 16:08 ` Paul Moore
2019-07-16 16:26 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-08 18:05 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-15 21:04 ` Paul Moore
2019-07-16 22:03 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-16 23:30 ` Paul Moore
2019-07-18 0:51 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-18 21:52 ` Paul Moore
2019-07-19 16:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-20 2:19 ` James Bottomley
2019-07-19 15:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-08 17:51 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-15 20:38 ` Paul Moore
2019-07-16 19:38 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-16 21:39 ` Paul Moore
2019-07-19 16:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 03/10] audit: read container ID of a process Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-19 16:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-19 17:05 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 04/10] audit: log container info of syscalls Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 22:15 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 13:08 ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2019-05-30 14:08 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 14:34 ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 05/10] audit: add contid support for signalling the audit daemon Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 12:57 ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2019-04-09 13:40 ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 13:48 ` Neil Horman
2019-04-09 14:00 ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2019-04-09 14:07 ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 13:53 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 14:08 ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 13:46 ` Neil Horman
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 06/10] audit: add support for non-syscall auxiliary records Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 07/10] audit: add containerid support for user records Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 08/10] audit: add containerid filtering Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 22:16 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 14:19 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 14:34 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 20:37 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 20:45 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 21:10 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 09/10] audit: add support for containerid to network namespaces Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 22:17 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 14:15 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 14:32 ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 10/10] audit: NETFILTER_PKT: record each container ID associated with a netNS Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-11 11:31 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 00/10] audit: implement container identifier Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-22 11:38 ` Neil Horman
2019-04-22 13:49 ` Paul Moore
2019-04-23 10:28 ` Neil Horman
2019-05-28 21:53 ` Daniel Walsh
2019-05-28 22:25 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-28 22:26 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-28 23:00 ` Steve Grubb
2019-05-29 0:43 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 12:02 ` Daniel Walsh
2019-05-29 13:17 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 14:07 ` Daniel Walsh
2019-05-29 14:33 ` Paul Moore [this message]
2019-05-29 13:14 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 22:26 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 13:08 ` Steve Grubb
2019-05-30 13:35 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 14:08 ` Richard Guy Briggs
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