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From: Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: Ralph Campbell <rcampbell@nvidia.com>,
	Linux Doc Mailing List <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Nouveau Dev <nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org, Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Ben Skeggs <bskeggs@redhat.com>, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Nouveau] [PATCH 0/9] Add support for SVM atomics in Nouveau
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 16:17:38 -0500
Message-ID: <20210209211738.GA834106@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210209133520.GB4718@ziepe.ca>

On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 09:35:20AM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 11:57:28PM +1100, Alistair Popple wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 9:27:05 PM AEDT Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Recent changes to pin_user_pages() prevent the creation of pinned pages in
> > > > ZONE_MOVABLE. This series allows pinned pages to be created in 
> > ZONE_MOVABLE
> > > > as attempts to migrate may fail which would be fatal to userspace.
> > > >
> > > > In this case migration of the pinned page is unnecessary as the page can 
> > be
> > > > unpinned at anytime by having the driver revoke atomic permission as it
> > > > does for the migrate_to_ram() callback. However a method of calling this
> > > > when memory needs to be moved has yet to be resolved so any discussion is
> > > > welcome.
> > > 
> > > Why do we need to pin for gpu atomics? You still have the callback for
> > > cpu faults, so you
> > > can move the page as needed, and hence a long-term pin sounds like the
> > > wrong approach.
> > 
> > Technically a real long term unmoveable pin isn't required, because as you say 
> > the page can be moved as needed at any time. However I needed some way of 
> > stopping the CPU page from being freed once the userspace mappings for it had 
> > been removed. 
> 
> The issue is you took the page out of the PTE it belongs to, which
> makes it orphaned and unlocatable by the rest of the mm?
> 
> Ideally this would leave the PTE in place so everything continues to
> work, just disable CPU access to it.
> 
> Maybe some kind of special swap entry?
> 
> I also don't much like the use of ZONE_DEVICE here, that should only
> be used for actual device memory, not as a temporary proxy for CPU
> pages.. Having two struct pages refer to the same physical memory is
> pretty ugly.
> 
> > The normal solution of registering an MMU notifier to unpin the page when it 
> > needs to be moved also doesn't work as the CPU page tables now point to the
> > device-private page and hence the migration code won't call any invalidate 
> > notifiers for the CPU page.
> 
> The fact the page is lost from the MM seems to be the main issue here.
> 
> > Yes, I would like to avoid the long term pin constraints as well if possible I 
> > just haven't found a solution yet. Are you suggesting it might be possible to 
> > add a callback in the page migration logic to specially deal with moving these 
> > pages?
> 
> How would migration even find the page?

Migration can scan memory from physical address (isolate_migratepages_range())
So the CPU mapping is not the only path to get to a page.

Cheers,
Jérôme

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Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-09  1:07 Alistair Popple
2021-02-09  1:07 ` [Nouveau] [PATCH 1/9] mm/migrate.c: Always allow device private pages to migrate Alistair Popple
2021-02-09 13:39   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-10  3:40     ` Alistair Popple
2021-02-10 12:56       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-09  1:07 ` [Nouveau] [PATCH 2/9] mm/migrate.c: Allow pfn flags to be passed to migrate_vma_setup() Alistair Popple
2021-02-09  1:07 ` [Nouveau] [PATCH 3/9] mm/migrate: Add a unmap and pin migration mode Alistair Popple
2021-02-09  1:07 ` [Nouveau] [PATCH 4/9] Documentation: Add unmap and pin to HMM Alistair Popple
2021-02-09  1:07 ` [Nouveau] [PATCH 5/9] hmm-tests: Add test for unmap and pin Alistair Popple
2021-02-09  1:07 ` [Nouveau] [PATCH 6/9] nouveau/dmem: Only map migrating pages Alistair Popple
2021-02-09  1:07 ` [Nouveau] [PATCH 7/9] nouveau/svm: Refactor nouveau_range_fault Alistair Popple
2021-02-09  1:07 ` [Nouveau] [PATCH 8/9] nouveau/dmem: Add support for multiple page types Alistair Popple
2021-02-09  1:07 ` [Nouveau] [PATCH 9/9] nouveau/svm: Implement atomic SVM access Alistair Popple
2021-02-09 10:27 ` [Nouveau] [PATCH 0/9] Add support for SVM atomics in Nouveau Daniel Vetter
2021-02-09 12:57   ` Alistair Popple
2021-02-09 13:35     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-09 13:39       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-09 13:44         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-09 21:17       ` Jerome Glisse [this message]
2021-02-10 17:56         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-09 13:37     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-09 20:53       ` John Hubbard
2021-02-10 12:59         ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-11  2:26           ` John Hubbard
2021-02-10 17:59         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-11  7:55           ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-02-17 23:00             ` Alistair Popple

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