From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi1-x241.google.com (mail-oi1-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ml01.01.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78E9221144CFA for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 14:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-x241.google.com with SMTP id p125-v6so5767328oic.3 for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2018 14:14:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181002142959.GD9127@quack2.suse.cz> <20181002143713.GA19845@infradead.org> <20181002144412.GC4963@linux-x5ow.site> <20181002145206.GA10903@infradead.org> <20181002153100.GG9127@quack2.suse.cz> <20181003125056.GA21043@quack2.suse.cz> <20181003150658.GC24030@quack2.suse.cz> <20181003164407.GK24030@quack2.suse.cz> In-Reply-To: <20181003164407.GK24030@quack2.suse.cz> From: Dan Williams Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 14:13:59 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Problems with VM_MIXEDMAP removal from /proc//smaps List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: linux-nvdimm-bounces@lists.01.org Sender: "Linux-nvdimm" To: Jan Kara Cc: linux-xfs , linux-nvdimm , Linux API , Christoph Hellwig , Linux MM , linux-fsdevel , linux-ext4 List-ID: On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 9:46 AM Jan Kara wrote: > > On Wed 03-10-18 08:13:37, Dan Williams wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 8:07 AM Jan Kara wrote: > > > WRT per-inode DAX property, AFAIU that inode flag is just going to be > > > advisory thing - i.e., use DAX if possible. If you mount a filesystem with > > > these inode flags set in a configuration which does not allow DAX to be > > > used, you will still be able to access such inodes but the access will use > > > page cache instead. And querying these flags should better show real > > > on-disk status and not just whether DAX is used as that would result in an > > > even bigger mess. So this feature seems to be somewhat orthogonal to the > > > API I'm looking for. > > > > True, I imagine once we have that flag we will be able to distinguish > > the "saved" property and the "effective / live" property of DAX... > > Also it's really not DAX that applications care about as much as "is > > there page-cache indirection / overhead for this mapping?". That seems > > to be a narrower guarantee that we can make than what "DAX" might > > imply. > > Right. So what do people think about my suggestion earlier in the thread to > use madvise(MADV_DIRECT_ACCESS) for this? Currently it would return success > when DAX is in use, failure otherwise. Later we could extend it to be also > used as a hint for caching policy for the inode... The only problem is that you can't use it purely as a query. If we ever did plumb it to be a hint you could not read the state without writing the state. mincore(2) seems to be close the intent of discovering whether RAM is being consumed for a given address range, but it currently is implemented to only indicate if *any* mapping is established, not whether RAM is consumed. I can see an argument that a dax mapped file should always report an empty mincore vector. _______________________________________________ Linux-nvdimm mailing list Linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org https://lists.01.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-nvdimm