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From: Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>
To: Bob Peterson <rpeterso@redhat.com>,
	Andreas Gruenbacher <agruenba@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cluster-devel@redhat.com,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com
Subject: Re: [Ocfs2-devel] [Cluster-devel] [PATCH v6 10/19] gfs2: Introduce flag for glock holder auto-demotion
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 14:41:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2508f12f0d2a5eedaad0c6b77657f53222b33e3c.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cf284633-a9db-9f88-6b60-4377bc33e473@redhat.com>

Hi,

On Fri, 2021-08-20 at 08:11 -0500, Bob Peterson wrote:
> On 8/20/21 4:35 AM, Steven Whitehouse wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 21:40 +0200, Andreas Gruenbacher wrote:
> > > From: Bob Peterson <rpeterso@redhat.com>
> > > 
> > > This patch introduces a new HIF_MAY_DEMOTE flag and
> > > infrastructure
> > > that
> > > will allow glocks to be demoted automatically on locking
> > > conflicts.
> > > When a locking request comes in that isn't compatible with the
> > > locking
> > > state of a holder and that holder has the HIF_MAY_DEMOTE flag
> > > set,
> > > the
> > > holder will be demoted automatically before the incoming locking
> > > request
> > > is granted.
> > > 
> > I'm not sure I understand what is going on here. When there are
> > locking
> > conflicts we generate call backs and those result in glock
> > demotion.
> > There is no need for a flag to indicate that I think, since it is
> > the
> > default behaviour anyway. Or perhaps the explanation is just a bit
> > confusing...
> 
> I agree that the whole concept and explanation are confusing.
> Andreas 
> and I went through several heated arguments about the symantics, 
> comments, patch descriptions, etc. We played around with many
> different 
> flag name ideas, etc. We did not agree on the best way to describe
> the 
> whole concept. He didn't like my explanation and I didn't like his.
> So 
> yes, it is confusing.
> 
That seems to be a good reason to take a step back and look at this a
bit closer. If we are finding this confusing, then someone else looking
at it at a future date, who may not be steeped in GFS2 knowledge is
likely to find it almost impossible.

So at least the description needs some work here I think, to make it
much clearer what the overall aim is. It would be good to start with a
statement of the problem that it is trying to solve which Andreas has
hinted at in his reply just now,

Steve.



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Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-19 19:40 [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 00/19] gfs2: Fix mmap + page fault deadlocks Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 01/19] iov_iter: Fix iov_iter_get_pages{, _alloc} page fault return value Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 02/19] powerpc/kvm: Fix kvm_use_magic_page Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 03/19] Turn fault_in_pages_{readable, writeable} into fault_in_{readable, writeable} Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 04/19] Turn iov_iter_fault_in_readable into fault_in_iov_iter_readable Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 05/19] iov_iter: Introduce fault_in_iov_iter_writeable Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 06/19] gfs2: Add wrapper for iomap_file_buffered_write Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 07/19] gfs2: Clean up function may_grant Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 08/19] gfs2: Eliminate vestigial HIF_FIRST Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 09/19] gfs2: Remove redundant check from gfs2_glock_dq Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 10/19] gfs2: Introduce flag for glock holder auto-demotion Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-20  9:35   ` [Ocfs2-devel] [Cluster-devel] " Steven Whitehouse
2021-08-20 13:11     ` Bob Peterson
2021-08-20 13:41       ` Steven Whitehouse [this message]
2021-08-20 15:22       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-23  8:14         ` Steven Whitehouse
2021-08-23 15:18           ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-23 16:05             ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-23 16:36               ` Bob Peterson
2021-08-23 19:12               ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-24  7:59             ` Steven Whitehouse
2021-08-20 13:17     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-20 13:47       ` Steven Whitehouse
2021-08-20 14:43         ` Andreas Grünbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 11/19] gfs2: Move the inode glock locking to gfs2_file_buffered_write Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 12/19] gfs2: Fix mmap + page fault deadlocks for buffered I/O Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 13/19] iomap: Fix iomap_dio_rw return value for user copies Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 14/19] iomap: Support partial direct I/O on user copy failures Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 15/19] iomap: Add done_before argument to iomap_dio_rw Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 16/19] gup: Introduce FOLL_NOFAULT flag to disable page faults Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:41 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 17/19] iov_iter: Introduce nofault " Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:41 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 18/19] gfs2: Fix mmap + page fault deadlocks for direct I/O Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:41 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 19/19] gfs2: Eliminate ip->i_gh Andreas Gruenbacher

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