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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Andreas Gruenbacher <agruenba@redhat.com>
Cc: cluster-devel <cluster-devel@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com" <ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v4 1/8] iov_iter: Introduce iov_iter_fault_in_writeable helper
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 10:51:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=whemWRZRDDvHnesBbTo1hO2qkWkMtGUSfPvEOq7kAfouQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHc6FU4N7vz+jfoUSa45Mr_F0Ht0_PXroWoc5UNkMgFmpKLaNw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 4:14 AM Andreas Gruenbacher <agruenba@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:30 AM David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is it actually worth doing any more than ensuring the first byte
> > of the buffer is paged in before entering the block that has
> > to disable page faults?
>
> We definitely do want to process as many pages as we can, especially
> if allocations are involved during a write.

Yeah, from an efficiency standpoint, once you start walking page
tables, it's probably best to just handle as much as you can.

But once you get an error, I don't think it should be "everything is bad".

This is a bit annoying, because while *most* users really just want
that "everything is good", *some* users might just want to handle the
partial success case.

It's why "copy_to/from_user()" returns the number of bytes *not*
written, rather than -EFAULT like get/put_user(). 99% of all users
just want to know "did I write all bytes" (and then checking for a
zero return is a simple and cheap verification of "everything was
ok").

But then very occasionally, you hit a case where you actually want to
know how much of a copy worked. It's rare, but it happens, and the
read/write system calls tend to be the main user of it.

And yes, the fact that "copy_to/from_user()" doesn't return an error
(like get/put_user() does) has confused people many times over the
years. It's annoying, but it's required by those (few) users that
really do want to handle that partial case.

I think this iov_iter_fault_in_readable/writeable() case should do the same.

And no, it's not new to Andreas' patch. iov_iter_fault_in_readable()
is doing the "everything has to be good" thing already.

Which maybe implies that nobody cares about partial reads/writes. Or
it's very very rare - I've seen code that handles page faults in user
space, but it's admittedly been some very special CPU
simulator/emulator checkpointing stuff.

               Linus

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-27 17:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-24 19:34 [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v4 0/8] gfs2: Fix mmap + page fault deadlocks Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-07-24 19:34 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v4 1/8] iov_iter: Introduce iov_iter_fault_in_writeable helper Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-07-24 19:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-07-24 20:24     ` Al Viro
2021-07-24 20:37       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-07-24 21:38       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-07-24 21:57         ` Al Viro
2021-07-24 22:06           ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-07-24 23:39             ` Al Viro
2021-07-27  9:30     ` David Laight
2021-07-27 11:13       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-07-27 17:51         ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2021-07-24 19:34 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v4 2/8] gfs2: Add wrapper for iomap_file_buffered_write Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-07-24 19:34 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v4 3/8] gfs2: Fix mmap + page fault deadlocks for buffered I/O Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-07-24 19:34 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v4 4/8] iomap: Fix iomap_dio_rw return value for user copies Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-07-24 19:34 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v4 5/8] iomap: Add done_before argument to iomap_dio_rw Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-07-24 19:34 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v4 6/8] iomap: Support restarting direct I/O requests after user copy failures Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-07-24 19:34 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v4 7/8] iov_iter: Introduce noio flag to disable page faults Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-07-24 19:34 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v4 8/8] gfs2: Fix mmap + page fault deadlocks for direct I/O Andreas Gruenbacher

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